RMT announce Rail strikes are on for this week

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes but your recent posts re: Johnson and his parties were so divorced from reality that I am inclined to put this one in that pot also

Actually, my posts were focussed more on what had been proved, whereas your fanciful posts were based on what you suspected. If you want to pursue that line of argument, you will need to be more specific. However, let’s do that in a more appropriate thread.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange how you keep moving the goalposts…

I have provided evidence to answer your point



Your response is "meaningless", but with no evidence to support that statement…

You are the perfect example of Gish galloping and Brandolini’s Law.

Why do you need ‘evidence’ when you can see with your own eyes the damage that has been done to businesses?

And with your superhuman abilities to trawl the internet to find the most obscure facts to prove the points you want to make, why can you not do the same in this instance?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>>

Why do you need ‘evidence’ when you can see with your own eyes the damage that has been done to businesses?

And with your superhuman abilities to trawl the internet to find the most obscure facts to prove the points you want to make, why can you not do the same in this instance?

Good one, OB.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Actually, my posts were focussed more on what had been proved, whereas your fanciful posts were based on what you suspected. If you want to pursue that line of argument, you will need to be more specific. However, let’s do that in a more appropriate thread.

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Why do you need ‘evidence’ when you can see with your own eyes the damage that has been done to businesses?

And with your superhuman abilities to trawl the internet to find the most obscure facts to prove the points you want to make, why can you not do the same in this instance?

Because, as I am sure you know, it is only polite for the person making the proposition to provide that information…

And with your superhuman abilities to fail to do basic research on and ignoring any information that contradicts your tunnel vision, why am I not surprised you leap to the defence of another poster who mimics your behaviours?

But, as you are an avid proponent of Gish galloping and a prime example of Brandolini’s Law, I can understand why you wouldn’t be keen on evidence that contradicts your opinions and anecdata…

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange how you keep moving the goalposts…

I have provided evidence to answer your point



Your response is "meaningless", but with no evidence to support that statement…

You are the perfect example of Gish galloping and Brandolini’s Law.

Including every industry sector is misleading. As I pointed out, a chunk of that profit will be from oil and gas producers. Not every sector has that level of profits. You can't include one-off sets of profits to fund an ongoing pay rise.

Out of fairness, I really have to share this even though I disagree with what the RMT is trying to do. Mick Lynch made absolute mincemeat of Kay Burley live on Sky news earlier this week and the footage is a joy to behold:

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/s...-of-mick-lynch

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Out of fairness, I really have to share this even though I disagree with what the RMT is trying to do. Mick Lynch made absolute mincemeat of Kay Burley live on Sky news earlier this week and the footage is a joy to behold:

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/s...-of-mick-lynch

Agreed. That was the point I was making yesterday. I don't agree with his politics - he's a far left-wing Brexiter - but he interviews very well and makes mincemeat of less-well briefed interviewers.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Don't agree with his politics but I've found Mick Lynch a fantastic performer in the interviews I've seen.

He's unflustered, doesn't rise to baiting, doesn't get angry, seems to knows his facts and makes interviewers appear out of their depth by just doing the interviews very well.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Including every industry sector is misleading. As I pointed out, a chunk of that profit will be from oil and gas producers. Not every sector has that level of profits. You can't include one-off sets of profits to fund an ongoing pay rise.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Chris

Out of fairness, I really have to share this even though I disagree with what the RMT is trying to do. Mick Lynch made absolute mincemeat of Kay Burley live on Sky news earlier this week and the footage is a joy to behold:

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/s...-of-mick-lynch

Just watched that,comedy gold, talk about getting your knickers in a twist,

BREAKING: MPs vote to approve regulations which allow agency workers to replace striking staff.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: MPs vote to approve regulations which allow agency workers to replace striking staff.

Don't think this'll make much difference if the train drivers go on strike, doubt there's many qualified train drivers on the books of temp agencies.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Don't think this'll make much difference if the train drivers go on strike, doubt there's many qualified train drivers on the books of temp agencies.

Even the other roles are pretty specialised and most companies are having problems recruiting permanent staff.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Even the other roles are pretty specialised and most companies are having problems recruiting permanent staff.

As a UNISON steward I'm hearing horror stories of life as a care worker. To start with the service is short staffed and just can't compete with supermarkets wages for staff and the sickness levels are rising as the staff can't afford to put fuel in their cars with some having no choice but to call in sick at the end of the month because they have no money left.

Public services are more than creaking under the pressure and something's going to give sooner or later. I understand the issues with inflation busting pay rises, but one compromise might be to stop tinkering round the edges and give everyone a one off cost of living payment and a reasonable pay rise. If you look at the billions the prospective candidates are talking about giving away, sending a descent sized cheque to everyone is more than doable.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

As a UNISON steward I'm hearing horror stories of life as a care worker. To start with the service is short staffed and just can't compete with supermarkets wages for staff and the sickness levels are rising as the staff can't afford to put fuel in their cars with some having no choice but to call in sick at the end of the month because they have no money left.

Public services are more than creaking under the pressure and something's going to give sooner or later. I understand the issues with inflation busting pay rises, but one compromise might be to stop tinkering round the edges and give everyone a one off cost of living payment and a reasonable pay rise. If you look at the billions the prospective candidates are talking about giving away, sending a descent sized cheque to everyone is more than doable.

Yes - something's going to give eventually.

The bleedin' obvious occurs to me that private sector profit taken in the utilities and railways is the difference between decent pay and the squeeze we are seeing.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no socialist. But the utilities and railways need to be not-for-profit. Question: What personal interests do the Tory political barons have in the utilities and railways?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

As a UNISON steward I'm hearing horror stories of life as a care worker. To start with the service is short staffed and just can't compete with supermarkets wages for staff and the sickness levels are rising as the staff can't afford to put fuel in their cars with some having no choice but to call in sick at the end of the month because they have no money left.

Public services are more than creaking under the pressure and something's going to give sooner or later. I understand the issues with inflation busting pay rises, but one compromise might be to stop tinkering round the edges and give everyone a one off cost of living payment and a reasonable pay rise. If you look at the billions the prospective candidates are talking about giving away, sending a descent sized cheque to everyone is more than doable.

Raising the income tax threshold is probably a good way of achieving this.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes - something's going to give eventually.

The bleedin' obvious occurs to me that private sector profit taken in the utilities and railways is the difference between decent pay and the squeeze we are seeing.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no socialist. But the utilities and railways need to be not-for-profit. Question: What personal interests do the Tory political barons have in the utilities and railways?

I think the utilities were privatised due to the need to get money in the bank, ideology (belief that private = more efficient) and the fact that investment was needed which always competed with health and education so never happened.

Railway privatisation was John Major's baby. Thatcher saw that it was a privatisation too far and British Rail under her regime was allowed to get on and run itself and was pretty efficient. Obviously, the City was up for it but it's also hugely benefited train drivers as their bargaining power has increased as there is no monopoly buyer of labour. This is a biased source but you get the drift! https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/473868...litant-unions/

[Mr K]

Not used the railways for a couple of years now. The fares are absurd and the service/trains terrible. Cheaper to fly round the UK.

All the promises of increased road taxes being used to fund public transport were yet more lies.

A privatisation failure in every way.