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Old 04-01-2017, 12:45   #3661
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I just wish he did what he said he would do, invoke article 50! He didn't as he did not expect to have to. That makes him an ass-hole!
What made him an asshole was his feeble attempt to renegotiate Britain's membership of the EU, painting a false picture of what he had achieved and then trying to fool the British people into believing that catastrophic consequences would flow from our pulling out of this failed bureaucratic superstate.

His position was compromised - he could not provide the leadership required to deliver the will of the British people with credibility. He was right to go.

But yes, he was an asshole.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:59   #3662
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I just wish he did what he said he would do, invoke article 50! He didn't as he did not expect to have to. That makes him an ass-hole!
It would have been foolish for him to have done so without a negotiating team in place or a strategy. That's why Theresa May will be waiting nearly ten months until she invokes Article 50, keen as she is to get it out of the way before the next election.
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They would have been British (or from the commonwealth or Ireland) in order to vote.
But the list of Commonwealth countries is large and includes "small" countries such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nigeria. Apart from EU citizens, most that are not White British or Irish will be from the Commonwealth. Therefore the original point stands.
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It would have been foolish for him to have done so without a negotiating team in place or a strategy. That's why Theresa May will be waiting nearly ten months until she invokes Article 50, keen as she is to get it out of the way before the next election.
The departure of Sir Ivan Rogers now provides Theresa May with an ideal opportunity to put in his place someone who truly believes in Brexit and who will ensure that obstacles are not put in the way by her own negotiating team.

Article 50 will be commenced before the end of March this year, as planned, and negotiations will then proceed immediately.
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The departure of Sir Ivan Rogers now provides Theresa May with an ideal opportunity to put in his place someone who truly believes in Brexit and who will ensure that obstacles are not put in the way by her own negotiating team.

Article 50 will be commenced before the end of March this year, as planned, and negotiations will then proceed immediately.
Apparently Sir Ivan was the main adviser to Cameron on what he could and could not get from his EU "renegotiation" and "no they won't give you that" was his advice to DC on just about everything so DC never asked for it.

Trouble is anybody we send to Brussels goes native in a few days and forgets why they're there: To represent the UK in the EU not the other way round.
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Apparently Sir Ivan was the main adviser to Cameron on what he could and could not get from his EU "renegotiation" and "no they won't give you that" was his advice to DC on just about everything so DC never asked for it.

Trouble is anybody we send to Brussels goes native in a few days and forgets why they're there: To represent the UK in the EU not the other way round.
Someone in the ambassador's role needs to be a pair of well-informed ears. It may turn out that bad news is more acceptable if it comes from another person. The danger is that it simply becomes a big group think whereby anyone with unpleasant news is drowned out.
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Professor who predicted Brexit and Trump claims European Union will CEASE TO EXIST in 2017

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/750...ation-collapse
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Someone in the ambassador's role needs to be a pair of well-informed ears. It may turn out that bad news is more acceptable if it comes from another person. The danger is that it simply becomes a big group think whereby anyone with unpleasant news is drowned out.
There is only good news when it comes to Brexit.

You'll see.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:40   #3669
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Sir Tim Barrow new UK envoy to EU
Sir Tim Barrow will replace Sir Ivan Rogers as the UK's ambassador to the European Union, Sky sources say.
http://news.sky.com/story/sir-tim-ba...urces-10718079

May to pick career diplomat as UK’s new man in Brussels
Four well-placed sources have told the Financial Times that Sir Tim has been recommended for the post by Sir Jeremy Heywood, cabinet secretary, as Mrs May tries to draw a line swiftly under the row over Sir Ivan’s shock departure.
The choice of Sir Tim will be a disappointment to Eurosceptic Tory MPs who have been critical of pro-EU “group think” at the Foreign Office; they wanted to see a candidate with an open mind about the advantages of Brexit.
But Sir Jeremy insisted that the post should not be politicised and said it was a key civil service appointment.
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Fantastic, they've found a 'yes' man. That's all right then. All sorted.... The Ministers can keep living in cloud Cuckoo land.
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Fantastic, they've found a 'yes' man. That's all right then. All sorted.... The Ministers can keep living in cloud Cuckoo land.
I don't think he's a yes man.
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Fantastic, they've found a 'yes' man. That's all right then. All sorted.... The Ministers can keep living in cloud Cuckoo land.
What we need is a 'can do' man, not another abominable 'no man'.

We will soon see how 'complicated' it is to pull free of this wretched organisation.

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I don't think he's a yes man.
Well he won't be if the EU refuses to pay his pension if he does not tow their line!!

I think the best thing Theresa May can do is guarantee his pension if he successfully pulls us out of this quagmire.
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What we need is a 'can do' man, not another abominable 'no man'.

We will soon see how 'complicated' it is to pull free of this wretched organisation.

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Well he won't be if the EU refuses to pay his pension if he does not tow their line!!

I think the best thing Theresa May can do is guarantee his pension if he successfully pulls us out of this quagmire.
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Well he won't be if the EU refuses to pay his pension if he does not tow their line!!
That's wrong as he's a UK civil servant so paid by HM Government.
I'm curious, where do you read this misinformation?
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Project Fear Brexit predictions were 'flawed and partisan', new study says

Predictions by the Treasury ahead of Brexit have been brought into question by a new study which says that leaving the European Union will halve net migration, give UK workers a pay rise and help to solve the housing crisis.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ew-study-says/
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