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nffc · 13-12-2021, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson loses his working majority as 79 Tory MPs have declared they’re rebelling by voting against Covid Passports tomorrow.

https://order-order.com/2021/12/13/n...ents-majority/

So they're relying on Labour, who by all accounts don't think the measures are hard enough.

I notice Liam Fox in the list, who is a former GP.

Really don't see the point in the covid passports, especially when the studies seem to suggest someone with 2xAZ has 0% protection against symptoms with Omicron. What is that even going to achieve if they haven't had a booster?

**Damien** · 13-12-2021, 18:27

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It's ridiculous and a total Labour own goal. They have a chance to win a vote in Parliament against Johnson and instead they'll side with him.

If they didn't the accusation would be they've put party politics ahead of the country.

Besides, politically it's not exactly unhelpful for Labour to have Johnson in the position of passing a bill unpopular with his party using their votes. Labour get to look bipartisan and Johnson has to face a disquiet within his own party. Labour supporting the bill also gives Tory MPs on the fence a reason to safely rebel against the bill pushing that awkwardness higher.

Taf · 13-12-2021, 18:37

I took the twins to the "Pfizer MVC" the other side of the city. The car park was closed and very poor signage sent us on a tour of the local area, to end up in a new, muddy car park.

40 minutes later, they came out after having the "Moderna Spikevax" jabs.

1andrew1 · 13-12-2021, 19:01

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Originally Posted by nffc

Really don't see the point in the covid passports, especially when the studies seem to suggest someone with 2xAZ has 0% protection against symptoms with Omicron. What is that even going to achieve if they haven't had a booster?

Responsible behaviour is seen as getting vaccinated and covid passports encourage this behaviour.

nffc · 13-12-2021, 19:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Responsible behaviour is seen as getting vaccinated and covid passports encourage this behaviour.

Responsible people shouldn't need encouraged to get vaccinated.

Pierre · 13-12-2021, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Damien

If they didn't the accusation would be they've put party politics ahead of the country.

From some, but I would hope they would have the shoulders to bear that accusation.

A 4 year old could punch holes through the governments COVID measures, Starmer obviously not willing to, because of this………..

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Besides, politically it's not exactly unhelpful for Labour to have Johnson in the position of passing a bill unpopular with his party using their votes. Labour get to look bipartisan and Johnson has to face a disquiet within his own party. Labour supporting the bill also gives Tory MPs on the fence a reason to safely rebel against the bill pushing that awkwardness higher.

That’s actually a very insightful observation that I can agree with, by relying on Labour to push it through will infuriate Tories and definitely weaken an already punch drunk Johnson.

I don’t see him making it through 2022.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Responsible behaviour is seen as getting vaccinated and covid passports encourage this behaviour.

They’re not required because…….as per an earlier post from myself………..it is clear that the unvaccinated (the actual anti-vax brigade) is a tiny percentage of the population.

spiderplant · 13-12-2021, 19:32

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Originally Posted by nffc

Really don't see the point in the covid passports, especially when the studies seem to suggest someone with 2xAZ has 0% protection against symptoms with Omicron. What is that even going to achieve if they haven't had a booster?

The passport will be updated to require a booster:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/p...r-b971716.html

nffc · 13-12-2021, 19:59

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

The passport will be updated to require a booster:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/p...r-b971716.html

But not for a while, until people have had chance to get their 3rd jabs.

Plan B expires at the end of January unless it's renewed (or revoked earlier if the situation calms down).

**Paul** · 13-12-2021, 20:27

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Plan B expires at the end of January unless it's renewed (or revoked earlier if the situation calms down).

They wont do that. They just spent the last few days ramping up the fear factor.
They are not going to turn around in a few weeks and say "it was all for nothing", carry on.

Taf · 13-12-2021, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Paul

They wont do that. They just spent the last few days ramping up the fear factor.
They are not going to turn around in a few weeks and say "it was all for nothing", carry on.

If Omicron turns out to be a damp squib, the science will have changed, so the reaction shall certainly change.

And the only fear I feel at the moment is about what Putin is playing at on the Ukraine border.

papa smurf · 13-12-2021, 21:18

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Originally Posted by nffc

Responsible people shouldn't need encouraged to get vaccinated.

They shouldn't be bullied into it by that kind of language either.

Mr K · 13-12-2021, 21:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

They shouldn't be bullied into it by that kind of language either.

What anybody decides about their own health is OK. As long as they don't affect anyone else.

No vaccine then no holiday, pub, restaurant, cinema etc. It would be a fair enough rule imo, and the way its going. Their choice, and our choice. Each to their own.

Pierre · 13-12-2021, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K

What anybody decides about their own health is OK. As long as they don't affect anyone else.

No vaccine then no holiday, pub, restaurant, cinema etc. It would be a fair enough rule imo, and the way its going. Their choice, and our choice. Each to their own.

You’re falling for it. The numbers of unvaccinated are tiny. Vaccine “passports” are not about encouraging vaccinations. The overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated. Hard core anti-vaxxers are a tiny number.

I don’t know what vaccine passports are for, but they’re not for safety or encouraging vaccinations………..so who knows?

papa smurf · 13-12-2021, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Mr K

What anybody decides about their own health is OK. As long as they don't affect anyone else.

No vaccine then no holiday, pub, restaurant, cinema etc. It would be a fair enough rule imo, and the way its going. Their choice, and our choice. Each to their own.

You should goose step down to the allotment and chillax.

Carth · 13-12-2021, 22:59

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Originally Posted by Pierre

You’re falling for it. The numbers of unvaccinated are tiny. Vaccine “passports” are not about encouraging vaccinations. The overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated. Hard core anti-vaxxers are a tiny number.

I don’t know what vaccine passports are for, but they’re not for safety or encouraging vaccinations………..so who knows?

As far as I can tell . .

The digital passports give you unlimited entry to many large gatherings for at least 30 days.

If you get a 'paper' passport instead of a digital one, it isn't time limited.

After day 2 you *could* catch Covid, have no symptoms, and merrily spread it for the next 28 days or more

Hope this helps