Brexit (Old)

[papa smurf]

Found this interesting piece about j c junker with some video .


EU President Jean-Claude Juncker 'is a drunk who binges on GIN instead of water at meetings', leaving his aide - nicknamed 'the monster' - running the Commission, shock new account claims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-govern.html

[richard s]

We are going leave one sorrowful organisation and are governed by another sorrowful organisation.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Found this interesting piece about j c junker with some video .


EU President Jean-Claude Juncker 'is a drunk who binges on GIN instead of water at meetings', leaving his aide - nicknamed 'the monster' - running the Commission, shock new account claims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-govern.html

Sorry - what shock?

[1andrew1]

Interesting article

The week the Brexiters lost control of Brexit
Tory hardliners fail to grasp that the EU would set the terms of a no-deal rupture
...It would be for the EU27 to decide whether they should halt all imports from Britain until its products had secured the appropriate EU certifications. Likewise, the government would have no say over how long European aviation authorities would take to give clearance for aircraft flying from the UK; or over under what conditions British freight companies would be permitted to operate beyond Calais. The same would apply across almost every area of national economic activity, from data transfer to the licensing of medicines and nuclear safety. Do Mr Johnson and his chums want Mrs May to “prepare” for a national shutdown?
The intelligent alternative to a settlement this autumn is a delayed rather than a cliff-edge Brexit.

https://www.ft.com/content/8980fc82-...e-8771d5404543

[Sephiroth]

And I’ve been told off for insulting the Brussels lot. If that’s what they really are contemplating doing to us, no insult would be too much.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

And I’ve been told off for insulting the Brussels lot. If that’s what they really are contemplating doing to us, no insult would be too much.

That's not a surprising revelation. It's the default legal position (also the other way around too) as far as I am aware. It is what no deal is. It's not so much 'what they're contemplating' as it is 'the consequences of no deal'....

It's worth remembering that the EU has already suggested a Canada style trade deal: https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wh...-deal-11096397

The European Union's lead negotiator has suggested Britain will be forced to settle for a Canada-style trade deal after Brexit.

Michel Barnier claimed the UK's decision to leave the EU's single market and customs union means any future trade relationship will "have to work on a model that is closer to the agreement signed with Canada".

We have not gone in that direction because we don't think it works for how our economy works.

However this constant theme on here that the EU are turning everything down is fan-fiction. We didn't even set our own intentions until the other week.

[papa smurf]

Found this interesting piece about Philip Hammond .

How the Chancellor is 'KILLING the economy on purpose' just to sabotage Brexit

The accusation arose at an Economists for Free Trade dinner this week of senior Tory Brexiteer MPs after former cabinet minister John Redwood presented evidence that actions taken by Mr Hammond and Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney have hit economic growth in the UK


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ure-uk-economy

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting article


https://www.ft.com/content/8980fc82-...e-8771d5404543

People conveniently forget that it goes both ways.

LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - European Union countries will suffer long-term damage equivalent to about 1.5 percent of annual economic output if Britain leaves the bloc without a free trade deal next year, the International Monetary Fund said on Thursday.
Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 next year, and Prime Minister Theresa May has yet to reach a consensus within her own Conservative Party on what future ties with the EU should look like, let alone broker a final deal with the EU.
The EU's lost economic output in the case of no deal would cost the bloc around $250 billion, according to Reuters calculations based on the IMF's estimate of the size of the EU economy excluding Britain this year.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

People conveniently forget that it goes both ways.

Damien made this same point in #636. That's why the EU said that Theresa May's redlines suggested a Canadian-style deal.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Found this interesting piece about Philip Hammond .

How the Chancellor is 'KILLING the economy on purpose' just to sabotage Brexit

The accusation arose at an Economists for Free Trade dinner this week of senior Tory Brexiteer MPs after former cabinet minister John Redwood presented evidence that actions taken by Mr Hammond and Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney have hit economic growth in the UK


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ure-uk-economy

All part of the narrative now forming where the right wing Leave supporters, now seing the reality of the task ahead, instead of saying how easy Brexit was/is going to be, they are now formulating a new "We Were Betrayed" message to try and cover their backs.

I think only the gullible will be fooled by this ..

Why are we using the term "Right wing leave supporters" as a term for a Brexiteer ?

---------- Post added at 15:49 ---------- Previous post was at 15:36 ----------

A REMINDER Specifically the underlined bit:-

Originally Posted by Cable Forum

The old Brexit thread, due to it's size and other issues, has now been closed.

While opening a new thread on Brexit. It has been noticed over the last few days that, we seem to be falling back in to the pathetic child like arguments, using words such as "Remoaners and Brexstremists".

A person who voted to leave the EU and expects that result to be enacted and leave the EU in it's entirety, they are not a extreme or hard Brexiteer.

So therefore, do not use any kind of extra labeling that can be considered provocative by either side.

AND NO getting around this rule by using different variations that amount to the same meaning.... such as "Extreme Brexiteers" or "Hard Brexiteers" or any other variation that labels a Brexiteer in any other form.

1) Avoid using these provocative terms. Remember CF terms and conditions state members should not provoke other members.

Attitudes towards each other are also unacceptable. The team are sick of the constant same petty arguments day in, day out. Enough is enough. The back biting has to finally stop.

2) Act more civil towards other members, lose the bad attitudes.

Some members are also going ridiculously over old ground, for some reason discussing merits of either leaving or not leaving the EU. Brexit has now become law, the UK is leaving the EU.

As of 27/6/18, Prime Minister Theresa May is still indicating that the UK will be leaving the Customs Union and Single Market.

3) We need to start moving on, stop using Provocative terms towards each other. If this does not happen, this new thread will ultimately be closed (And the persons responsible for it's closure dealt with accordingly).

Updated: 6/7/18

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

All part of the narrative now forming where the right wing Leave supporters, now seing the reality of the task ahead, instead of saying how easy Brexit was/is going to be, they are now formulating a new "We Were Betrayed" message to try and cover their backs.

I think only the gullible will be fooled by this ..

I and I am sure no other "brexiter" ever thought it would be easy as the EU would always want its pound of flesh for us having the audacity for even thinking of leaving.

That said the simple answer is a clean exit.The 2yr transition has been agreed which gives 2yrs for the EU and UK to come to some sort of trade deal, it may not be perfect to begin with but will not be the cliff that remainers are saying we will be falling off.

Originally Posted by pip08456

I and I am sure no other "brexiter" ever thought it would be easy as the EU would always want its pound of flesh for us having the audacity for even thinking of leaving.

That said the simple answer is a clean exit.The 2yr transition has been agreed which gives 2yrs for the EU and UK to come to some sort of trade deal, it may not be perfect to begin with but will not be the cliff that remainers are saying we will be falling off.

Exactly and betrayal is not linked to any process of the leave result, more than betrayal means ignoring one of the largest democratic processes in modern history.

And this bollocks about those wanting a second vote - What the hell for?

I know what I voted leave for I am sick of those saying as a leaver, I did not know what I voted for, just more bollocks, I want to leave the EU and every last bit of it, I do not want to be associated in a disgusting, corrupted and bully-boy European Union.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Why are we using the term "Right wing leave supporters" as a term for a Brexiteer ?

---------- Post added at 15:49 ---------- Previous post was at 15:36 ----------

A REMINDER Specifically the underlined bit:-

I think the description of the Daily Express Newspaper referred to in the post is fair and accurate:

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I and I am sure no other "brexiter" ever thought it would be easy as the EU would always want its pound of flesh for us having the audacity for even thinking of leaving.

That said the simple answer is a clean exit.The 2yr transition has been agreed which gives 2yrs for the EU and UK to come to some sort of trade deal, it may not be perfect to begin with but will not be the cliff that remainers are saying we will be falling off.

“How many countries in the world have no trade deals in place? None.
"How many countries on April 1st next year will have no trade deals in place - one.” can you guess what that country will be ?