Brexit discussion

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You could always avoid meat that is 'Made in America' if it worries you.

Doesn't worry me OB, don't eat any meat

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You could always avoid meat that is 'Made in America' if it worries you.

Or better still, completely ignore the bull crap posted in the guardian.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Doesn't worry me OB, don't eat any meat

Neither do I, we do have something in common.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Neither do I, we do have something in common.

Ah, that's nice Mick ! There's hope for you yet

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not so easy in restaurants and processed foods to determine country of origin.

True. Belonging to the EU, you're never really sure if you are eating horse.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Neither do I, we do have something in common.

You don't eat meat, Mick? And there's me thinking you ate cow pie for breakfast!

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

True. Belonging to the EU, you're never really sure if you are eating horse.

Actually my Dad said the me when he was younger several local outlets sold pies with horse in even though they would not admit to it and in the 1930's it was eaten far more widely in the UK and l myself have tasted it as it tends to taste a bit like a rump steak IMO.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Actually my Dad said the me when he was younger several local outlets sold pies with horse in even though they would not admit to it and in the 1930's it was eaten far more widely in the UK and l myself have tasted it as it tends to taste a bit like a rump steak IMO.

If you eat meat, don't see what peoples problem with horse is ? Or dog, cat, rat ? All the same...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You see, that is the lie that those who are 'weaponising' the NHS want you to believe, and you've just sucked it in!

There are no plans to have people pay for NHS treatment, which will remain free at the point of delivery, whether the public or private sector is providing the service.

Tha academy schools are run by the private sector, but they don't expect parents to pay for their children to get educated there, do they?

As for private patients in NHS wards, you forget that whether you are a NHS or private patient, you still have the right to NHS care. It should also be remembered that private patients take a lot of strain off the NHS.

As for private ambulances, they are being brought in to take the strain of an overloaded health service, caused by an ever growing number of people using it. Without the private sector, you would have even longer waits following 999 calls.

Yes I've been sucked in, I only spend part of my working week in hospitals and am a member of the London ambulance trust. A good friend of mines son works for a private ambulance company, he's all but a paramedic and is one of the best paid front line staff, he's on 10 pounds an hour, he's colleagues are mainly on less and to be frank mostly aren't even worth that, this was emphasized a while back when he had to tell another crew that their patient had actually died whilst they were quing at hospital without them realising, they agreed she was " very very ill". I brought this up at the future of the ambulance service meeting at st Thomas hospital for the trust amongst many other horror stories staff had told me and it did cause some shock in the room before it turned into the usual snake oil sale of shysters trying to flog their wares and networking. Yes I'm the one who has been sucked in, imo we are in a race to the bottom and the best advice I can give to anyone in London is don't get ill.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes I've been sucked in, I only spend part of my working week in hospitals and am a member of the London ambulance trust. A good friend of mines son works for a private ambulance company, he's all but a paramedic and is one of the best paid front line staff, he's on 10 pounds an hour, he's colleagues are mainly on less and to be frank mostly aren't even worth that, this was emphasized a while back when he had to tell another crew that their patient had actually died whilst they were quing at hospital without them realising, they agreed she was " very very ill". I brought this up at the future of the ambulance service meeting at st Thomas hospital for the trust amongst many other horror stories staff had told me and it did cause some shock in the room before it turned into the usual snake oil sale of shysters trying to flog their wares and networking. Yes I'm the one who has been sucked in, imo we are in a race to the bottom and the best advice I can give to anyone in London is don't get ill.

That is sad to hear, but the NHS has its fair share of horror stories.

[denphone]

More than half of British adults think the government is doing a poor job in Brexit negotiations.

The British public is currently in a pessimistic mood about the likely consequences of Brexit. Less than half (43%) of those with a preferred scenario believe that Brexit negotiations will result in their preference being achieved (down from 46% in November). Furthermore, the majority of the public (56%) rate the government’s handling of the Brexit negotiations as poor or very poor.

https://uk.kantar.com/public-opinion...rexit-britain/

[Mr K]

Well even a lot of Brexiters think they are doing a crap job on negotiations; if you can call them that, as we've given the EU most of what they wanted. The trouble is our Govt. is more focused on who can grab power when St. Theresa falls off her perch.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well even a lot of Brexiters think they are doing a crap job on negotiations; if you can call them that, as we've given the EU most of what they wanted. The trouble is our Govt. is more focused on who can grab power when St. Theresa falls off her perch.

Well, you've said that before, Mr K, but I will remind you again that the EU did not get the £100bn they wanted and they've accepted less than half of that. Judging by Labour's comments during the Phase I talks, they would have capitulated.

The only reason a lot of the public are not confident the negotiations are going well is because they are given minimal information by the government. This is necessary because of the way the EU conducts itself.

What most people do not understand is that the EU needs us and as time passes, they will start to get anxious about doing a deal. When that time comes, the government will be ready to lay more cards on the table.

The government is playing the long game, and with good reason.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, you've said that before, Mr K, but I will remind you again that the EU did not get the £100bn they wanted and they've accepted less than half of that. Judging by Labour's comments during the Phase I talks, they would have capitulated.

The only reason a lot of the public are not confident the negotiations are going well is because they are given minimal information by the government. This is necessary because of the way the EU conducts itself.

What most people do not understand is that the EU needs us and as time passes, they will start to get anxious about doing a deal. When that time comes, the government will be ready to lay more cards on the table.

The government is playing the long game, and with good reason.

You can always rely on Mr K, getting things wrong and inserting his own miserable and incorrect assertions and narrative in to the mix. It’s just a daily routine of his, shout down Brexit, shout down President Trump, rinse, repeat.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, you've said that before, Mr K, but I will remind you again that the EU did not get the £100bn they wanted and they've accepted less than half of that. Judging by Labour's comments during the Phase I talks, they would have capitulated.

The only reason a lot of the public are not confident the negotiations are going well is because they are given minimal information by the government. This is necessary because of the way the EU conducts itself.

What most people do not understand is that the EU needs us and as time passes, they will start to get anxious about doing a deal. When that time comes, the government will be ready to lay more cards on the table.

The government is playing the long game, and with good reason.

I don't know about you but my confidence regarding brexit has never been higher after this announcement

Britain will not be "plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction" after it leaves the EU, the Brexit secretary will say in a speech.

It's a shame in some ways though as I've always fancied myself as a bit of a road warrior

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43120277

[OLD BOY]

I sometimes worry about how all those countries that don't belong to the EU manage!

When you're being assured that we won't become a dystopian wasteland you get the feeling they're lowering expectations really.