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Old 14-09-2019, 00:10   #2281
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BJ has only been in power for a couple of months?

If youíre talking about the previous plans, didnít the ERG/BJ vote against those plans - does that make them treacherous?
Nope because Mayís crap WA isnít Brexit. Btw, more Remainer MPs voted against it than the ERG.

The Remainer MPs voting against no deal, are treacherous because theyíre the ones trying to ruin Boris getting a good deal. Walking away is the best tool to have in any negotiations. If you donít agree then next time you come to sell your house, Iíll buy it off you for a £1. (Great quote from Question Time Audience member, 12/09/19).
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Old 14-09-2019, 00:21   #2282
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

What is (and isn't) Brexit is a revisionist myth to justify no deal. Stop lying to your forum members!
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Old 14-09-2019, 00:27   #2283
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Nope because May’s crap WA isn’t Brexit. Btw, more Remainer MPs voted against it than the ERG.

The Remainer MPs voting against no deal, are treacherous because they’re the ones trying to ruin Boris getting a good deal. Walking away is the best tool to have in any negotiations. If you don’t agree then next time you come to sell your house, I’ll buy it off you for a £1. (Great quote from Question Time Audience member, 12/09/19).
Yes, But if you have already sold your house and have nowhere to live, not such a great deal - you end up spending more money renting somewhere less than you had before, at a greater cost.

The problem with that metaphor is that when you told your wife you were selling your house, you told her the house you intended to buy was better than the current house, and that it would have more rooms and a better outlook - when it came time to move, you didn’t have a new house ready, and what you could get would mean that the driveway would be blocked meaning it would be difficult to get food and medicine into your house, you would have less money to spend as you had to spend money on interim measures to try and sort out the issues with the temporary accommodation, and the mortgage companies wouldn’t agree to a new mortgage because you had a history of defaulting on previous agreements.
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Nope because Mayís crap WA isnít Brexit. Btw, more Remainer MPs voted against it than the ERG.
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I fear you may need to manage your expectations. I've said it before but the signs now all point to Boris presenting a deal to Parliament very close to May's deal. Certainly, a naive no deal looks dead this year.
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Old 14-09-2019, 08:08   #2285
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And by pure concidence, it also made sure the Government's Brexit plans couldn't be scrutinised.

Phew - that was lucky...
What plans? I donít think any have been put forward have they?

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BJ has only been in power for a couple of months?

If youíre talking about the previous plans, didnít the ERG/BJ vote against those plans - does that make them treacherous?
Makes nearly all of them hypocrites, liars, etc

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Does that make them treacherous?
No, theyíre all just hypocrites and liars, so business as usual really

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What is (and isn't) Brexit is a revisionist myth to justify no deal. Stop lying to your forum members!
Brexit was leaving the SM, CU & ECJ

Brexit was getting a deal within 2 years for a managed Withdrawl or leaving on WTO terms.

That is exactly what was put forward.

That is exactly what Brexit was, nothing revisionist about it.

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Yes, But if you have already sold your house and have nowhere to live, not such a great deal - you end up spending more money renting somewhere less than you had before, at a greater cost.

The problem with that metaphor is that when you told your wife you were selling your house, you told her the house you intended to buy was better than the current house, and that it would have more rooms and a better outlook - when it came time to move, you didnít have a new house ready, and what you could get would mean that the driveway would be blocked meaning it would be difficult to get food and medicine into your house, you would have less money to spend as you had to spend money on interim measures to try and sort out the issues with the temporary accommodation, and the mortgage companies wouldnít agree to a new mortgage because you had a history of defaulting on previous agreements.
Metaphorss and analogies are pointless.

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I fear you may need to manage your expectations. I've said it before but the signs now all point to Boris presenting a deal to Parliament very close to May's deal. Certainly, a naive no deal looks dead this year.
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Old 14-09-2019, 09:37   #2286
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Brexit was leaving the SM, CU & ECJ
No it wasnít. Thatís a new definition, or else why the discussion then and now about Norway?
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No it wasnít.
Yes it was, and Iím happy to just contradict you all day.
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Old 14-09-2019, 09:55   #2288
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Yes it was, and Iím happy to just contradict you all day.
As long as you are happy to be wrong all day. Thereís plenty of mentions of Norway before and after 2016, including from the leader of the Brexit Party, and nobody said before the referendum ďactually, thatís not an optionĒ.
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Old 14-09-2019, 10:28   #2289
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No it wasn’t. That’s a new definition, or else why the discussion then and now about Norway?
Really?It was said by Cameron pre referendum. {approx 1.43)
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Really?It was said by Cameron pre referendum. {approx 1.43)
Thatís not what he says. He says after two years you are out... that didnít happen either.
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Quote the full sentence not just the bit that fits your obtuseness.
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Does that make them treacherous?
Exactamundo.
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And by pure concidence, it also made sure the Government's Brexit plans couldn't be scrutinised.

Phew - that was lucky...
They've been discussing Brexit ad nauseum for the last three years! How much more time do they need?

As Boris says, time to get this done.

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You know full well why it was an issue just as we know full well why Parliament is setting dangerous precedents. We are argue about the mortality of it all but for all of us to pretend this is all normal and parrot the spin of politicians does us no good.
But it isn't even a precedent! Parliament has been prorogued before, and for longer periods on a couple of occasions in the past as well.

I gather you are ok with Bercow setting precedents!

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If there are so many MPs against Brexit why haven't they just voted to revoke A50?

At least that would be an honest way of achieving their goal rather than paralysing parliament........
Oh, they've already voted against that!
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Quote the full sentence not just the bit that fits your obtuseness.
Iím not being obtuse. You claimed he said one thing that he observably did not.

Itís a somewhat circular argument but at no point did any official documentation or Minister outline prior to the referendum that the ďNorway optionĒ wasnít Brexit. As Iíve said before even Farage, at one point, spoke of the positives.

With his friends taking up £8bn of short positions on the pound though, Norway wouldnít make profits for disaster capitalism.
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Members seem to becoming testy with one another so remember to try and be polite and possibly have some patience.
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