UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You've just made the case for the need to find new markets. Thank you, that's a positive, then!

How does Brexit improve the robustness of supply chains?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As I've said before, the evidence so far is that the EU is only interested on a deal on their terms. Of course they want us to extend the transition period because it not only keeps us locked in (for their trade benefit) but also for the extra dosh they'll charge us for this non-privilege.

You never seem to address this direct point of mine.

The EU stated its red lines many years ago, so no one should be surprised by the reaction if they request something a la carte. It was called Project Fear at the time but it's now Project Reality.
The extra year's payments will fund themselves in terms of higher GDP, higher tax revenue and lower social security costs than if we get a poor deal through lack of time.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You are the embodiment of sour grapes.

Under our democratic system, the public backed leaving the EU twice.

Our collective job now is to make that work as distinct from listening to your bleating. Ian Blackford indeed.

I have had enough of your trolling. You are the perfect example why 99% of CF members stay away from this toxic place.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think if we genuinely want to optimise our chances of a good deal with the EU, we need to get an extension to December 2021. This is about getting the best deal for the country. It doesn't mean not leaving.
My fear is Boris Johnson can't be bothered to put in the leg work that this would entail and has instead chosen to bury the Brexit disruption and layoffs in the Coronavirus recession and magic money forest.

No, it won't Andrew. It will just prolong the filibustering. We need to bring this to an end, and the sooner we do it, the quicker we will know where we stand.

Remember the bottom line - the EU wants a no-tariff deal. So do we. Where's the real problem here?

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

How does Brexit improve the robustness of supply chains?

Er - we create new ones.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, it won't Andrew. It will just prolong the filibustering. We need to bring this to an end, and the sooner wedo it, the quicker we will know where we stand.

Remember the bottom line - the EU wants a no-tariff deal. So do we. Where's the real problem here?

That Britain wants the benefits of EU membership without playing by the rules.

Er - we create new ones.

Did EU membership prohibit this or are you simply skewing reality to match your own ideology?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

That Britain wants the benefits of EU membership without playing by the rules.

No, we want a tariff-free deal without being tied to the EU. What's wrong with that?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, we want a tariff-free deal without being tied to the EU. What's wrong with that?

It’s a great idea from our perspective. The benefits of EU membership without the costs.

However how we square that with lowering standards, chlorinated chicken and the island of Ireland is the hard bit. The EU doesn’t want a gaping hole in the Single Market.

Let’s say Ireland started giving citizenship to other EU citizens who wanted to live and work in the UK, bypassing our immigration controls. Would you be happy?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Did EU membership prohibit this or are you simply skewing reality to match your own ideology?

Where did I say that it did? Once again, you are introducing arguments, apparently attributing them to me, and calling me out over them.

I accept completely that supply chains will be impacted if we don't get a deal. We managed before the EU and we'll manage again.

You totally miss some important positives about leaving the EU. One of them is that to avoid any delays in that supply chain, if that becomes a problem, we will start to make more parts in this country, creating more employment for our citizens.

There will be positives as well as negatives, but we will overcome the negatives and create new markets, free from EU restrictions, laws and protectionism.

Given the proximity of our leaving date, we should recognise that this negative outlook needs to give way to the optimism of a new beginning. We are leaving, and we need to enter this new big opportunity that presents itself with an open, positive mind.

All you guys seem to see are monsters lurking in every corner. Where's your entrepreneurial spirit? Oh, sorry, it appears you don't have one...

[jfman]

So leaving doesn’t improve the robustness of supply chains, thanks.

It’s the kind of thing businesses need more than a few months to prepare for.

Given the proximity of our leaving date, we should recognise that this negative outlook needs to give way to the optimism of a new beginning. We are leaving, and we need to enter this new big opportunity that presents itself with an open, positive mind.

Hope and optimism, that’s the answer.

Entrepreneurial spirit? What’s that got to do with a 12 month extension? That’s just your usual patronising, evidence lacking, bullshit.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a great idea from our perspective. The benefits of EU membership without the costs.

However how we square that with lowering standards, chlorinated chicken and the island of Ireland is the hard bit. The EU doesn’t want a gaping hole in the Single Market.

Let’s say Ireland started giving citizenship to other EU citizens who wanted to live and work in the UK, bypassing our immigration controls. Would you be happy?

What costs, jfman? A tariff-free trade deal comes with mutual benefits. The 'costs' you talk about is the extortionate EU membership subscription, which gives us the dubious 'benefit' of the EU legislative system that we don't want.

We can get tariff-free trade deals elsewhere without a membership fee. How is the EU any different?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a great idea from our perspective. The benefits of EU membership without the costs.

However how we square that with lowering standards, chlorinated chicken and the island of Ireland is the hard bit. The EU doesn’t want a gaping hole in the Single Market.

Let’s say Ireland started giving citizenship to other EU citizens who wanted to live and work in the UK, bypassing our immigration controls. Would you be happy?

Except it is not the benefit of EU membership without cost. Funny how remainers keep going on about that but...

A free trade deal would not include any development (or any other) grants or confer any UK citizen or EU citizen any exclusive rights. so no, nowhere near EU membership without the costs.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

So leaving doesn’t improve the robustness of supply chains, thanks.

It’s the kind of thing businesses need more than a few months to prepare for.



Hope and optimism, that’s the answer.

I think businesses have had ample time to think this through, don't you?
I'm afraid that you have shown in a wide range of subjects that optimism is a characteristic that you don't possess. The glass half empty type.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Except it is not the benefit of EU membership without cost. Funny how remainers keep going on about that but...

A free trade deal would not include any development (or any other) grants or confer any UK citizen or EU citizen any exclusive rights. so no, nowhere near EU membership without the costs.

“The benefits“ of trade does not preclude there being other benefits. I didn’t say “all benefits”.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think businesses have had ample time to think this through, don't you?
I'm afraid that you have shown in a wide range of subjects that optimism is a characteristic that you don't possess. The glass half empty type.

2016: Easiest trade deal going.
2017: May’s deal
2019: Boris deal shifts effective leaving date to end of 2020
2020: Biggest economic shock since Great Recession.

No, it’s not obvious to me that businesses have had “ample time”. We haven’t held a coherent policy position for 18 months.

I’m afraid your bullshit about optimism, or lack thereof, has no impact on whether the UK makes a success of this or not.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1947

When we get out of the EU next month, we will be looking at forging trade deals with China, the US and India. None of these countries have a deal with the EU, if I remember correctly. We are also looking at exploring opportunities on the continent of Africa as well as other countries with markets we can exploit. The Asian Pacific trade bloc is also high on the list.

How is that Chinese trade deal looking?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

“The benefits“ of trade does not preclude there being other benefits. I didn’t say “all benefits”.

No but what you said was "That Britain wants the benefits of EU membership without playing by the rules."

Membership would infer all benefits.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

No but what you said was "That Britain wants the benefits of EU membership without playing by the rules."

Membership would infer all benefits.

Infer all you please, that's not my intent and I don't think anyone else who reads the post will think I had freedom of movement as a 'benefit' that Britain wants.