Traffic Shaping - Page 5

sollp · 31-03-2006, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Frank

Did any ntl customers get an email about this change to the User Policy from ntl?

I would imagine the only people to know are those who are implementing it. As for the rest of NTL and whom it may affect whether it be the customer or the people who have run around trying to resolve faults that where never there wouldn't know

handyman · 31-03-2006, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Ignition

I am staying out of this anyway, I know where these things are and how many there are, and all of it under the NDA inherited from when I left ntl so best I keep schtum

What did you do at ntl btw ig?

I know where some of the kit is as well, its easier to find than the flaming cf easter eggs.

grubbymitts · 31-03-2006, 21:30

Well, Newsgroup access here in Stoke seem to be fine, and so far tonight I haven't had to mess about changing proxies at all, so if they are slowing down BT packets and stopping dipsticks from knackering up the service because they are maxing out their upload then all the better. Besides, if you want to leech something you can still do it during the off peak hours.

2||Para · 31-03-2006, 21:33

So as far as i can see, NTL decided not to roll out 10MB to all customers with different caps. 1MB and 2MB can have "unlimited".

Well as long as it's "unlimited" at snails pace and anything but what we actually pay for.

"Look at us,We are NTL,we have the best BB in the UK" yeah right!

Rone · 31-03-2006, 21:36

The writing on the wall was big enough for me.

Ignition · 31-03-2006, 21:37

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Originally Posted by handyman

What did you do at ntl btw ig?

Tea boy.

handyman · 31-03-2006, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Ignition

Tea boy.

lol, ok TB

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Originally Posted by 2||Para

Well as long as it's "unlimited" at snails pace and anything but what we actually pay for.
"Look at us,We are NTL,we have the best BB in the UK" yeah right!

No they are just saying let the network run fast for joe smo at tea time and on the night time your p2p app can dl at warp speed.

I'm not sure why everyone else makes such a fuss I perposfully traffic shape my own connection.

How many gamers here turn off p2p app altogether because of the negative effect it has on gaming?

2||Para · 31-03-2006, 21:45

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Originally Posted by handyman

lol, ok TB

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No they are just saying let the network run fast for joe smo at tea time and on the night time your p2p app can dl at warp speed.

I'm not sure why everyone else makes such a fuss I perposfully traffic shape my own connection.

How many gamers here turn off p2p app altogether because of the negative effect it has on gaming?

That's a fair enough point.Why advertise a 1MB,2MB "unlimited" product in January only to do a 180 on it 8 weeks later?Their system that bad?

Chris W · 31-03-2006, 21:59

Because in the current market "unlimited" refers to download caps, and there is not one of these on the service.

Although i had reservations about the idea in the first instance, i don't see a problem with shaping between the hours stated. As internet usage patterns change it will be more important for people to get better latency (gaming, streaming, VOIP).

If people want to leech and leech that is fine, but just if they try to do it between 6pm and midnight then it will just run slower

When i used to p2p at uni then i normally left it running overnight anyway, by normal (not student) sleeping hours that will leave 8 hours of unshaped leeching time...

31-03-2006, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Chris W

Although i had reservations about the idea in the first instance, i don't see a problem with shaping between the hours stated.

Same here however if the problems i had between 6.00pm and midnight was a test of the traffic shaping then there is no way in hell i want that. Therefor ukonline will be getting a call from me tomorrow followed by ntl disconnections on Monday.

2||Para · 31-03-2006, 22:09

2MB unlimited is not "unlimited" if it is shaped?

It wasn't advertised as 2MB unlimited [when we can handle it]

Toto · 31-03-2006, 22:11

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Originally Posted by Chris W

Because in the current market "unlimited" refers to download caps, and there is not one of these on the service.

No, in ntl's case it means total traffic, a capped service is the total traffic generated by one modem both ways.

grubbymitts · 31-03-2006, 22:12

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Originally Posted by 2||Para

2MB unlimited is not "unlimited" if it is shaped?

It wasn't advertised as 2MB unlimited [when we can handle it]

But it is now advertised as up to 2mb

Chrysalis · 31-03-2006, 22:13

Well I am unsure of what I think about this and it is yet to happen so cant pass judgement on how its implemented. But from the wording it does seem like it wont be as bad as plusnet's shaping which is a relief. My current problems are not caused by shaping as everything slows down including http so I think their is no shaping yet.

What worries me is if ntl start delaying upgrades as a result of shaping making them not needed and they then get tempted to shape that little bit more when capacity becomes tight again and the shaping eventually becomes heavy.

The p2p caches I only see as a good thing it will save upload bandwidth at the ubr and should speed things up, in fact I think ntl should stop http caching and use those servers for p2p caching like someone else suggested in the past.

2||Para · 31-03-2006, 22:14

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Originally Posted by grubbymitts

But it is now advertised as up to 2mb

Indeed.I'm now advertised as "looking for a new ISP"

I wasn't in January