Brexit (Old)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_model_of_trade

A "suggestion" does not validate the Gravity Model. The referenced article has much to say on this especially the countervailing viewpoint.

It's pretty accepted. I've previously posted links.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's also up to Remainers to respect the Referendum result.

Since when? Leavers are entitled to do as they please so long as they’re not breaking the law

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm inclined to agre.

And if this version of 'Brexit' results in something that is worse the Remaining, so be it ? As long as it has the word Brexit attached to it and a 'We won' sticker?
I'm sorry but the ERG are ****wits, and that's being generous.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And if this version of 'Brexit' results in something that is worse the Remaining, so be it ? As long as it has the word Brexit attached to it and a 'We won' sticker?
I'm sorry but the ERG are ****wits, and that's being generous.

I may agree it will scrape past parliament but that is all.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And if this version of 'Brexit' results in something that is worse the Remaining, so be it ? As long as it has the word Brexit attached to it and a 'We won' sticker?
I'm sorry but the ERG are ****wits, and that's being generous.

I don't accept that. I personally know at least one of the ERG members and he is intelligent and entirely honourable.

The ERG is at one end of the Leave Means Leave spectrum, namely preferring a clean break. Nothing wrong with that as an interpretation of the Leave result, particularly as the UK can cope with the temporary initial chaos and especially with a huge chunk of money to spend on shoring things up.

Btw, I also know TM and she, sadly, fits your description.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't accept that. I personally know at least one of the ERG members and he is intelligent and entirely honourable.

The ERG is at one end of the Leave Means Leave spectrum, namely preferring a clean break. Nothing wrong with that as an interpretation of the Leave result, particularly as the UK can cope with the temporary initial chaos and especially with a huge chunk of money to spend on shoring things up.

Btw, I also know TM and she, sadly, fits your description.

The ERG aren't entirely stupid, they have more grasp of what Article 50 actually sets out and on what basis.

For instance why, considering A50's requirements did the backstop enter negotiations?

The Commission, or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy where the agreement envisaged relates exclusively or principally to the common foreign and security policy, shall submit recommendations to the Council, which shall adopt a decision authorising the opening of negotiations and, depending on the subject of the agreement envisaged, nominating the Union negotiator or the head of the Union's negotiating team.

Do we not have and wish to continue a common policy?

[Sephiroth]

The fact that the pompous EU calls their Foreign Minister the "High Representative" says it all.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

For ourselves, well we had a global empire - again, more or less within living memory - and have bequeathed the world our language, which helps to sustain our understanding of our place in the world. Much about our trade patterns had to change, quickly, in order to fit us into the common market, which is part of the reason why many Brexiteers are so confident that our trade patterns will relatively easily snap back into their natural shape once we’re out.

What is our "understanding of our place in the world" exactly and also, what is the "natural shape" of our trade patterns?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’d have been harder to thwart if it was a single vision.

However it isn’t, it’s a vast range of different views and ideologies from the dog whistle xenophobia, extreme unregulated capitalism, nationalism and even some socialists. Each wants and expects different post-Brexit outcomes.

You’ve even got Liam Fox and David Davis on one side, Mogg, Johnson and Raab on the other. Unless the Conservative party is the only place these divisions exist then leavers have different and often mutually exclusive desires.

The most popular outcome expressed as anything other than a binary choice is to remain. It’s up to leavers to unify their position.

I’ve refrained recently but roger me sideways with a trumpet, i’ve Read some deluded BS but you are a black belt in this particular discipline.

The most popular outcome expressed as anything other than a binary choice is to remain. It’s up to leavers to unify their position

Can you evidence that? It’s not my interpretation.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The ERG aren't entirely stupid, they have more grasp of what Article 50 actually sets out and on what basis.

For instance why, considering A50's requirements did the backstop enter negotiations?



Do we not have and wish to continue a common policy?

How does your subsequent text in a box evidence that the ERG have "more of a grasp of what Article 50 actually sets out and on what basis" and who are you comparing them to?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The fact that the pompous EU calls their Foreign Minister the "High Representative" says it all.

And there is the U.K. having a High Court and the CoE having "High Church”, all the U.K. High Commissioners, and Paddy Ashdown being the UN High Representative to Bosnia, I think you may be protesting too much...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Can you evidence that? It’s not my interpretation.

Poll of polls here says Remain would be ahead
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ld-you-vote-2/

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Poll of polls here says Remain would be ahead
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ld-you-vote-2/

expressed as anything other than a binary choice

for he idiots among us, including me, what do you mean by that.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ve refrained recently but roger me sideways with a trumpet, i’ve Read some deluded BS but you are a black belt in this particular discipline.

Can you evidence that? It’s not my interpretation.

I really don’t see how you can claim it’s deluded when it’s staring you right in the face, and has done for two years.

If there was a single vision if Brexit the Conservative party wouldn’t have wasted the last two years negotiating with itself on television for the EU to laugh at.

[Sephiroth]

This mythical ‘single vision’ is a mete diversion from the fact that the MPs have treacherously gone their own way, in most cases disrespecting the Referendum result.

Had TM done it differently from the outset, we would definitely be leaving the EU 29-March. She gave these MPs the sustenance for their treachery.