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jfman · 26-09-2019, 10:10

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, it takes two sides to tango. The anger seems to be on the remainer side due to the proroguing of Parliament. If they calm down, I am sure it will be reciprocated.

The anger on the streets will not go away until this matter is resolved, and if the electorate do not get what they voted for, that is to leave, everything will be escalated. Remainers cannot just shout insults and ignore what the majority want. They need to vote and help us achieve a deal which enables us to forge our own trade deals with the rest of the world.

If they don't do this, we will have the scenario they say they don't want ie, a 'no deal'.

For proroguing Parliament read "breaking the law".

If there's one thing I'm certain of its that Boris won't calm down. His electoral future depends on stoking the fire of nationalism.

papa smurf · 26-09-2019, 10:18

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Originally Posted by jfman

For proroguing Parliament read "breaking the law".

If there's one thing I'm certain of its that Boris won't calm down. His electoral future depends on stoking the fire of nationalism.

The law didn't exist at the time of proroguing, it was invented on Tuesday.

jfman · 26-09-2019, 10:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

The law didn't exist at the time of proroguing, it was invented on Tuesday.

Of course it did. Government was playing fast and loose with its interpretation of convention. Which is/was obvious to everyone but the most "Brexit at all costs" types.

daveeb · 26-09-2019, 10:45

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Originally Posted by ianch99

But who, in your words, can "shove Corbyn out the way"? His opposition within his party are weak with no guts and JC's inner circle just keep telling him he is wonderful.

The Lib Dems have also made a big mistake in putting the Revoke stake in the ground "when we are in Government", really? Get real. They should be cementing a centre ground coalition to prevent Farage and his cohorts from teaming up with Johnson and taking us off into a necon paradise.

It is as if *all* politicians, from all sides, have lost all sense of perspective.

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Yeah, his dismissal of MPs' death threats as humbug ... really on the ball. The man is a cretin ..

Spot on with all of the above Ian.

As for Johnsons' M.O. it seems to be to desensitise everyone so much with his behaviour that nothing he does or says has any consequences on himself. A tactic used extensively on the other side of the pond.

pip08456 · 26-09-2019, 10:47

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Originally Posted by jfman

Of course it did. Government was playing fast and loose with its interpretation of convention. Which is/was obvious to everyone but the most "Brexit at all costs" types.

Interpretation of convention is not evidence of the existance of legal statute.

jfman · 26-09-2019, 11:11

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Interpretation of convention is not evidence of the existance of legal statute.

They didn't invent law as claimed. Only Parliament can do that.

**Hugh** · 26-09-2019, 11:22

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

The law didn't exist at the time of proroguing, it was invented on Tuesday.

No law was invented on Tuesday - the Supreme Court adjudicated that BJ's actions were unlawful (that his reasons for prorogation for five weeks were not supported by the weight of evidence), and therefore were null and void.

Again, to avoid confusion - no new law was invented on Tuesday; people saying this have a lack of understanding of what actually happened.

papa smurf · 26-09-2019, 11:29

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Originally Posted by jfman

They didn't invent law as claimed. Only Parliament can do that.

It's clear they invented law to frustrate brexit,11 out of 11 judges reach the same conclusion , that just stinks of an establishment stitch up.

It seems that any one on the remain side can invent laws to keep us shackled to the corrupt EU.

There's even talk of rehashing the surrender bill now.

mrmistoffelees · 26-09-2019, 11:51

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's clear they invented law to frustrate brexit,11 out of 11 judges reach the same conclusion , that just stinks of an establishment stitch up.

It seems that any one on the remain side can invent laws to keep us shackled to the corrupt EU.

There's even talk of rehashing the surrender bill now.

How so? When good old Boris clearly stated the prorogation of parliament had nothing to do with Brexit. The Supreme Courts ruling was in direct response to the prorogation, nothing else. Lady Hale made that eminently clear.

Unless of course Boris was telling fibs?

Here's the government statement via 3rd party (BBC)

The government defended its action, saying it had nothing to do with Brexit. It argued proroguing Parliament was a "proceeding in Parliament" and would allow the PM to outline plans for domestic policies, like NHS funding.

pip08456 · 26-09-2019, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh

No law was invented on Tuesday - the Supreme Court adjudicated that BJ's actions were unlawful (that his reasons for prorogation for five weeks were not supported by the weight of evidence), and therefore were null and void.

Again, to avoid confusion - no new law was invented on Tuesday; people saying this have a lack of understanding of what actually happened.

Correct Hugh. What happend Tuesday was a legal precedent was set.

**Hugh** · 26-09-2019, 13:44

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's clear they invented law to frustrate brexit,11 out of 11 judges reach the same conclusion , that just stinks of an establishment stitch up.

It seems that any one on the remain side can invent laws to keep us shackled to the corrupt EU.

There's even talk of rehashing the surrender bill now.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

No law was invented on Tuesday - the Supreme Court adjudicated that BJ's actions were unlawful (that his reasons for prorogation for five weeks were not supported by the weight of evidence), and therefore were null and void.

Again, to avoid confusion - no new law was invented on Tuesday; people saying this have a lack of understanding of what actually happened.

I can explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you...

papa smurf · 26-09-2019, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I can explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you...

The back room lawyers opinion is noted, even if it was not asked for nor needed.

**Hugh** · 26-09-2019, 15:47

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

The back room lawyers opinion is noted, even if it was not asked for nor needed.

Not my "opinion", it’s a fact (even if you do mix them up sometimes).

If a new law was "invented" on Tuesday, could you please show the legislation that "invented’ this law, as laws can only be created or changed by an Act of Parliament or Secondary legislation through statutory instruments (which can only be raised by the Government).

The Judiciary can’t "invent" laws.

You may find this helpful - https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/

papa smurf · 26-09-2019, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Not my "opinion", it’s a fact (even if you do mix them up sometimes).

If a new law was "invented" on Tuesday, could you please show the legislation that "invented’ this law, as laws can only be created or changed by an Act of Parliament or Secondary legislation through statutory instruments (which can only be raised by the Government).

The Judiciary can’t "invent" laws.

You may find this helpful - https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/

Once again i thank you for your opinion, i will of course take it onboard and decide at a later date if it has any merit .

**Mick** · 26-09-2019, 17:36

Well, after all the kicking and screaming these pathetic Remainiac MPs have done about Parliament being shut down, the House of Commons has adjourned at 17:04, just over half n hour ago. So much for the Brexit scrutiny they were screeching for.