17-04-2020, 13:05
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
When/if this is all over, I think that there will be calls for an independent enquiry.
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Yes but the must be NO BLAME.
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17-04-2020, 13:09
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hom3r
Yes but the must be NO BLAME.
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Why?
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17-04-2020, 14:01
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Why?
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witch hunts and should've, would've, could've arguments and finger pointing are rarely helpful.
There should be an independent enquiry, lessons learnt
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17-04-2020, 14:03
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Mum 15/08/46 - 30/09/20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
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Because this is something that cannot be planned for.
The best thing is to see what has gone wrong and why, then what can be done if it happens again.
If there is any blame it's to the idiots going out with a valid reason.
Sunbathing in the park or beach is not one.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
witch hunts and should've, would've, could've arguments and finger pointing are rarely helpful.
There should be an independent enquiry, lessons learnt
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Better put that I have.
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17-04-2020, 14:15
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hom3r
Because this is something that cannot be planned for.
The best thing is to see what has gone wrong and why, then what can be done if it happens again.
If there is any blame it's to the idiots going out with a valid reason.
Sunbathing in the park or beach is not one.
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Better put that I have.
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So, there are two issues with the bolded part.
We DO plan for pandemics, and we were found to be woefully unequipped to fight against them. (last time was 2016 IIRC)
This virus was known about since mid-late January, the government could have and should have started to purchase the PPE and other equipment that was needed. They did not
The governments inactions have to a degree contributed to the +6000 deaths and countless thousands of critically ill patients that we would normally see at this time of year.
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Originally Posted by Pierre
witch hunts and should've, would've, could've arguments and finger pointing are rarely helpful.
There should be an independent enquiry, lessons learnt
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Those who have died needlessly may have a separate viewpoint (of course it's emotional)
Those who are currently treating the ill and are without suitable PPE will have a different viewpoint
If the government is found to have failed to prepare for this, then blame should be apportioned and the people responsible replaced.
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17-04-2020, 14:51
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Those who have died needlessly may have a separate viewpoint (of course it's emotional)
Those who are currently treating the ill and are without suitable PPE will have a different viewpoint
If the government is found to have failed to prepare for this, then blame should be apportioned and the people responsible replaced.
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How would that help any of the people you mention ?
Tell me what countries were prepared for something like this.
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17-04-2020, 16:39
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Re: Coronavirus
I got this email (extracted) from the Thames Valley Police Gold Commander:
With minor breaches, such as people reporting those who have taken multiple walks in a day, we may not be responding right there and then but that doesn’t mean we are ignoring them. Your reports help to provide vital information around patterns and hotspots which then go across to our local policing teams to inform their patrol plans. Please report minor breaches to us online.
Jeez, what would have happened if there were Jews living in the street had Hitler won? There are some real shit people around.
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17-04-2020, 17:05
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
Have to disagree with you there.
Big difference between informing on people so they can be murdered by a genocidal regime and letting the police know that people are risking other’s lives by possibly increasing the number of infectious contacts.
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17-04-2020, 17:41
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I got this email (extracted) from the Thames Valley Police Gold Commander:
With minor breaches, such as people reporting those who have taken multiple walks in a day, we may not be responding right there and then but that doesn’t mean we are ignoring them. Your reports help to provide vital information around patterns and hotspots which then go across to our local policing teams to inform their patrol plans. Please report minor breaches to us online.
Jeez, what would have happened if there were Jews living in the street had Hitler won? There are some real shit people around.
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Every one knows who the grass is in the street,i imagine they will be dealt with in due course in the usual way.
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17-04-2020, 17:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
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So two ?, out of 200+ ? None in Eurrope, or North/South America.
Taiwan were apparently hit badly by SARS, so still had plans in place.
No idea about South Korea, your link is behind a paywall.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Big difference between informing on people so they can be murdered by a genocidal regime and letting the police know that people are risking other’s lives by possibly increasing the number of infectious contacts.
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If they are on their own, and/or observing distancing, then how are they increasing the number of contacts ?
We are not a police state (yet) but its a slippery slope we can easily fall down.
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17-04-2020, 17:50
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I got this email (extracted) from the Thames Valley Police Gold Commander:
With minor breaches, such as people reporting those who have taken multiple walks in a day.
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TVP need to brush up on the latest guidance.
"Likely to be reasonable: Exercising more than once per day"
Source: https://www.college.police.uk/What-w...ble-excuse.pdf
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17-04-2020, 17:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
So two ?, out of 200+ ? None in Eurrope, or North/South America.
Taiwan were apparently hit badly by SARS, so still had plans in place.
No idea about South Korea, your link is behind a paywall.
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If they are on their own, and/or observing distancing, then how are they increasing the number of contacts ?
We are not a police state (yet) but its a slippery slope we can easily fall down.
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How do you know they were going to be on their own? Too many cases of where people are gathering together as it is. If you give certain people an inch they will take a mile, and then some.
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17-04-2020, 17:56
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067
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
How would that help any of the people you mention ?
Tell me what countries were prepared for something like this.
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So you're saying that we couldn't have learnt from what happened in China/Hong Kong where the virus first started to spread rapidly?
It's either ignorance, or incompetence. take your pick.
The government could and should have done more. Especially since UK hospitals were briefed on the situation in January
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17-04-2020, 17:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Have to disagree with you there.
Big difference between informing on people so they can be murdered by a genocidal regime and letting the police know that people are risking other’s lives by possibly increasing the number of infectious contacts.
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For really minor matters such as multiple walks, dobbers are shit people,
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