Coronavirus (OLD)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Even if she had been there long enough to put out chairs and take photos? His story was a complete fib from beginning to end.

The Kinnocks did have an explanation and did not use public transport. That was the difference.
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[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The mere fact that as I said, chairs were put out and photos taken. That was evidence of not being there just to deliver essential supplies, pictures of which were strangely missing. Was nobody else in the local Labour party prepared to do it?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...ulation/6/made

You will note that the legislation states:

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

By phrasing the legislation in this way the list is not exhaustive. Whether it is reasonable, or not, to engage in conversation with a vulnerable person from a safe distance in their garden is open to interpretation.

Whether a public figure, in the course of carrying out said activities safely, could reasonably publicise it for the purposes of encouraging best practice for the good of public health - again open to interpretation.

“Reasonable” has a definition in case law that is something like how a person of average intelligence would interpret events. E.g. in tax nobody can reasonably plead ignorance to the fact tax exists.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The Kinnocks did have an explanation and did not use public transport. That was the difference.
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Anybody can have an explanation, it is another thing as to whether it stands up to proper scrutiny, or in the Kinnock case, any scrutiny at all. Without the presence of the chairs, their story might have been plausible. Their story went that they only remained long enough to sing "happy birthday", which apparently only takes 20 seconds. Either the chairs came from within the house, or they brought them with them.
Link

“@HelleThorning_S and I took a couple of chairs over, and sat in their front garden for a socially distanced celebration.

Travelled all the way from Wales to London. Everybody else is expected to make do with online interactions.

Kinnock has tweeted back to say: "I felt that this was essential travel as I had to deliver some necessary supplies to my parents.
"I stayed long enough to sing 'happy birthday' to Dad, and I was off.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Anybody can have an explanation, it is another thing as to whether it stands up to proper scrutiny, or in the Kinnock case, any scrutiny at all. Without the presence of the chairs, their story might have been plausible. Their story went that they only remained long enough to sing "happy birthday", which apparently only takes 20 seconds. Either the chairs came from within the house, or they brought them with them.

The chairs are an absolute irrelevance. See the law as implemented.

LinkTravelled all the way from Wales to London. Everybody else is expected to make do with online interactions.

No they aren’t. If they have reasonable excuse in terms of caring for other people then they are entitled to travel. Nowhere does it say, again in the legislation, that there is a distance limit on how far you could travel “reasonably” for the purposes of carrying out an activity.

[papa smurf]

I live in cleethorpes. is there any member living near Great Yarmouth who needs essential supplies like a loaf of bread or a tin of beans ,i have my own accomodation in that area[boat] so just sing out,we are all in this together.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I live in cleethorpes. is there any member living near Great Yarmouth who needs essential supplies like a loaf of bread or a tin of beans ,i have my own accomodation in that area[boat] so just sing out,we are all in this together.

You forgot the toilet rolls.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You forgot the toilet rolls.

I'll swing by Kinocks house and pick some up,he must have loads he's full of S...

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Perhaps she was going to deliver essential supplies to her father, and sing happy birthday to him? Or is that feeble and non-existent excuse reserved for Labour politicians?

If she was, she should have said she was. Then she'd probably just have been sent home and told not to do it again, like Kinnock was (and as the law allows).

Here are two more who got fined. Again both got arsey with the police:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...sures-18019240
https://talkradio.co.uk/news/man-fin...co-20033033144

[Hom3r]

Well I've been Furloughed until 1st July, this may be extended or reduced.

So a 90 day holiday.

So me out shopping for essentials happening to see friends also out shopping for essentials and greeting each other even when socially distancing is a criminal offence now? How about we get a grip? We are not a police state as far as I'm aware.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Maggy

So me out shopping for essentials happening to see friends also out shopping for essentials and greeting each other even when socially distancing is a criminal offence now? How about we get a grip? We are not a police state as far as I'm aware.

The lack of common sense in certain cases should be a criminal offence.

[tweetiepooh]

Fear is a bigger issue than the virus. It's fear that causes the problems and governments to take more control. People don't know real details and are being saturated with so much information it's hard to dig out the truth. And initial reports are often found to be less accurate later - healthy person dies -> didn't die from virus but from some other condition not know about at time.

And as always we want someone (else) to blame. If this really is a unique situation then responses will never be as good as maybe they should be. Even if it's not that unique getting large populations and organisations to change isn't trivial. But it's always someone fault. Even if we had a stock pile of ventilators it wouldn't be enough, someone somewhere would miss out. And I'd bet if we did have a stockpile they wouldn't have been maintained or they would be stored somewhere out of the way and can't transport them around fast enough. And why would we have stocked them up anyway? Can you imagine the headlines - NHS buys lots of ventilators just in case while patients are dying because they can't afford <insert drug/machine/treatment of choice here>!

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Even the Torygraph, the Boris appreciation fanzine, have turned against the Government; they're in big trouble when the fallout comes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ures-lockdown/

They have just tested a percentage off the staff at the Great Ormond Street Hospital and 40% were found to have Coronavirus and l would imagine when the finally get around to test all the other NHS staff whenever that is the results might well be the same..

[tweetiepooh]

Just a general question for maybe some ideas.

Plant growers are going to the wall because while DIY stuff can stay open plant shops can't but unlike DIY stuff plants (and other grown products) need to be sold when ready. How can they make some money while keeping people safe?
Maybe put plants out in car park with honesty box/donations. They can take some money and people can get plants to use at home or maybe road side or some public spaces if done safely. Else plants are going to be dumped and grower gets nothing.

Local traders - can they sell vouchers to maintain income and honour later? The presumes they will remain in business later.

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Originally Posted by denphone

They have just tested all the staff at the Great Ormond Street Hospital and 40% were found to have Coronavirus and l would imagine when the finally get around to test all the other NHS staff whenever that is the results might well be the same..

Central London may be different to the rest of country. If staff are commuting in or living in dorms and eating in canteens it's very different to hospitals away from centre of town where staff are more spread out and don't squeeze into tube trains to travel in and out of work.

GOSH is also in an area with other hospitals all around it - National Hospital for Neurology, Homeopathic and Italian hospitals are all in same area.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Just a general question for maybe some ideas.

Plant growers are going to the wall because while DIY stuff can stay open plant shops can't but unlike DIY stuff plants (and other grown products) need to be sold when ready. How can they make some money while keeping people safe?
Maybe put plants out in car park with honesty box/donations. They can take some money and people can get plants to use at home or maybe road side or some public spaces if done safely. Else plants are going to be dumped and grower gets nothing.

Local traders - can they sell vouchers to maintain income and honour later? The presumes they will remain in business later.

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Central London may be different to the rest of country. If staff are commuting in or living in dorms and eating in canteens it's very different to hospitals away from centre of town where staff are more spread out and don't squeeze into tube trains to travel in and out of work.

GOSH is also in an area with other hospitals all around it - National Hospital for Neurology, Homeopathic and Italian hospitals are all in same area.

B&Q for example are not open to walk around and browse (at least my local stores are not) you have to order on their website, pay online and then they will offer a click and collect service from their car park

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Originally Posted by Maggy

So me out shopping for essentials happening to see friends also out shopping for essentials and greeting each other even when socially distancing is a criminal offence now? How about we get a grip? We are not a police state as far as I'm aware.

It's got nothing to do with being a police state, it's about minimising the spread of the virus.

If people want to chat to friends then use whatsapp or facetime etc.

if people are going out to shop for essentials thats what they're there to do. not stand around chatting to mates (even if it is at the 2m distance)

Unfortunately, life is not meant to be normal right now.