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Old 22-08-2016, 17:41   #76
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Should we suppose you are one of those people who thinks that anyone who accuses someone of rape or child abuse is making it up, because the accused denies it?

It's not an either/or situation - if someone is accused of a serious crime, it should be investigated; if the accuser is found to have made it up (as opposed to there not being enough evidence to convict, which is a completely separate thing), they should be charged with wasting police time.
I think they should be charged with a lot more than that. False accusations of abuse, rape etc. can have a devastating effect on people's lives.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

I'd make it so a false accuser got the same sentence as the accused would have got if found guilty personally. It'd stop pretty quick I bet.
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Old 22-08-2016, 17:48   #78
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Should we suppose you are one of those people who thinks that anyone who accuses someone of rape or child abuse is making it up, because the accused denies it?

It's not an either/or situation - if someone is accused of a serious crime, it should be investigated; if the accuser is found to have made it up (as opposed to there not being enough evidence to convict, which is a completely separate thing), they should be charged with wasting police time.
I was actually addressing Richards statement that everyone who thinks they are bullied are actually being bullied which is clearly not the case .The logical train of thought for that way of thinking is that everyone is guilty of whatever they are accused of just because someone thinks they are
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I think they should be charged with a lot more than that. False accusations of abuse, rape etc. can have a devastating effect on people's lives.
Totally agree
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Old 22-08-2016, 18:00   #80
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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I think they should be charged with a lot more than that. False accusations of abuse, rape etc. can have a devastating effect on people's lives.
as can people who make false accusations of bullying and harassment without any real grounds they can cost people their jobs and families .The last thing we need is people like that given the ability to involve police at every little bit of perceived bullying .Once a complaint is made the police have to investigate ,they would be run ragged
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Should we suppose you are one of those people who thinks that anyone who accuses someone of rape or child abuse is making it up, because the accused denies it?

It's not an either/or situation - if someone is accused of a serious crime, it should be investigated; if the accuser is found to have made it up (as opposed to there not being enough evidence to convict, which is a completely separate thing), they should be charged with wasting police time.
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I was actually addressing Richards statement that everyone who thinks they are bullied are actually being bullied which is clearly not the case .The logical train of thought for that way of thinking is that everyone is guilty of whatever they are accused of just because someone thinks they are
It was not a statement of my view, it's the law.

It really isn't sinking in is it- you have further caused offense by using the term "nutters" to describe those you believe to have mental health problems or disabilities.

It's like time travelling back to the seventies. The world, the law and society has moved on and it's time that you did too- for your own sake as much as anyone else's.

I was on the 'phone to our firm of solicitors early this morning about someone who has been harrassing somebody both in public and in private. Apparently, there are lots of eager young lawyers out there looking for test cases to put before the courts.

Interestingly, lots of low level repeated rudeness, jokes, snide sarcasm, claims made without foundation to discredit a persons character etc etc aimed at an individual can be used to create a bigger picture of harassment if this is unwanted and/or causing distress to any individual. If they are in a protected minority group, this could lead to an even more serious charge of carrying out a Hate Crime.

I agree that those guilty of posting every triviality about their life on line are foolish and irritating, but are you actually suggesting that they deserve to be bullied to the point of suicide for doing this?

Edit: Apparently, we do not have the absolute right to freedom of expression or the right to impart information, as these rights can be restricted by the law when appropriate.

I was also quoted a case where a pub landlord (part of our trade) repeatedly directed snide remarks, jokes etc at someone with a mental health problem. When the landlord subsequently barred him for pointing out that this was unlawful and causing offense, he barred him from the premises. The landlord was found guilty of a much more serious crime* as a result.

* I wrote it down, but I can't read my own handwriting

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Old 22-08-2016, 18:39   #82
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Exactly.
It was not a statement of my view, it's the law.
No it's not you need to check the basics of our legal system , innocent until proven guilty and all that

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It really isn't sinking in is it- you have further caused offense by using the term "nutters" to describe those you believe to have mental health problems or disabilities.
who said i describing people with mental health issues as nutters please feel free to show me .You need to stop making things up or you may find yourself on the wrong side of this new internet troll hunting force

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I was on the 'phone to our firm of solicitors early this morning about someone who has been harrassing somebody both in public and in private. Apparently, there are lots of eager young lawyers out there looking for test cases to put before the courts.
that sound very much like a veiled threat to me .you do realise that people are allowed to disagree with you don't you

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Interestingly, lots of low level repeated rudeness, jokes, snide sarcasm, claims made without foundation to discredit a persons character etc etc aimed at an individual can be used to create a bigger picture of harassment if this is unwanted and/or causing distress to any individual. If they are in a protected minority group, this could lead to an even more serious charge of carrying out a Hate Crime.
Richard we know all of that but just because someone thinks they are the victim of "low level repeated rudeness, jokes, snide sarcasm, claims made without foundation to discredit a persons character etc" does not mean they are.They could simply be people like you who has just accused me of calling people with mental health issues "nutters" .You have read what you wanted to read not what is written as you always do therefor causing me distress and making me upset .Now i could make an issue of this and report you to the forum mods or i could make like a big boy and dismiss you for the troll you are
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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No it's not you need to check the basics of our legal system , innocent until proven guilty and all that



who said i describing people with mental health issues as nutters please feel free to show me .You need to stop making things up or you may find yourself on the wrong side of this new internet troll hunting force



that sound very much like a veiled threat to me .you do realise that people are allowed to disagree with you don't you



Richard we know all of that but just because someone thinks they are the victim of "low level repeated rudeness, jokes, snide sarcasm, claims made without foundation to discredit a persons character etc" does not mean they are.They could simply be people like you who has just accused me of calling people with mental health issues "nutters" .You have read what you wanted to read not what is written as you always do therefor causing me distress and making me upset .Now i could make an issue of this and report you to the forum mods or i could make like a big boy and dismiss you for the troll you are
It's now clear that you are unable or unwilling to discuss this extremely serious subject in an adult fashion, so let's leave it at that.
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It's now clear that you are unable or unwilling to discuss this extremely serious subject in an adult fashion, so let's leave it at that.
Seems more like neither of you are going to agree, so no need to resort to veiled insults either. Both move on.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Just noticed that 'Celeb Trolls: Were Coming To Get You' is being repeated in the early hours of this morning (3:10am) on Channel 5 for anybody that wants to watch it
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Just noticed that 'Celeb Trolls: Were Coming To Get You' is being repeated in the early hours of this morning (3:10am) on Channel 5 for anybody that wants to watch it
My advice is don't, you'll never get that time back again
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My advice is don't, you'll never get that time back again
Lol, too late for me, I watched it last week
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Just noticed that 'Celeb Trolls: Were Coming To Get You' is being repeated in the early hours of this morning (3:10am) on Channel 5 for anybody that wants to watch it
Love to watch it Richard but I've got an episode of Hi De Hi recorded so can't fit it in
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

It was interesting, I'm not usually interested in celeb type programmes.

Legally speaking, the following is defined as a hate crime:

Any offence can be a hate crime if it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on disability, race, religion, transgender identity or sexual orientation.

Some useful links:

To report a hate crime-

www.report-it.org.uk

For support if you have been affected by a hate crime-

www.stophateuk.org

Stop Hate UK is a charity that provides independent and confidential support to people affected by Hate Crime.
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