Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-04-2020, 12:04   #46
Carth
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: At the Leaving door
Posts: 4,050
Carth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze array
Carth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze arrayCarth has a bronze array
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.

What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.

It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.
It seems they did, and then replaced it with another . . . with possibly the same symptoms?
Carth is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 05-04-2020, 12:04   #47
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,230
jfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronze
jfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronze
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
.... and now Starmer is saying we must never have austerity again. Who's going to keep lending to us cheaply if the debt is out of control? Jeez, he's almost as bad as the last fool.
Same place Rishi is getting it from?
jfman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 13:18   #48
Hugh
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,042
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
Taking it as an honest question:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...w-cabinet-role

... and why shouldn't I raise this as often as context allows?

From your link
Quote:
Earlier this week Rebecca Long-Bailey, the shadow business secretary and the candidate favoured by the Corbyn wing of the party, said she would want to offer him a senior role if she won the imminent ballot of members.

The other two remaining candidates: Keir Starmer, the favourite, and Lisa Nandy, have not made similar offers,]
Because it is a straw man scaremongering tactic, with no documented basis in reality?
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.

Last edited by Hugh; 05-04-2020 at 17:27.
Hugh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 13:39   #49
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,187
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
From your link

Because it is a straw man scaremongering tactic, with no documeneted basis in reality?
Quite a credit to Sir Keir that the scaremongering has started so early!
1andrew1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 13:42   #50
denphone
Still alive and fighting
 
denphone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,296
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Quite a credit to Sir Keir that the scaremongering has started so early!
l thought he was pretty sober and pragmatic on the Marr show.
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
denphone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 13:52   #51
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,230
jfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronze
jfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronze
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone View Post
l thought he was pretty sober and pragmatic on the Marr show.
He is, but objective reality doesn't stop the right wing smears. Brown, Miliband, Corbyn... Starmer is just next on the list.
jfman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 13:59   #52
denphone
Still alive and fighting
 
denphone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,296
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
He is, but objective reality doesn't stop the right wing smears. Brown, Miliband, Corbyn... Starmer is just next on the list.
He has only been in the job for a day but quelle surprise the ad hominem attacks have already started unsurprisingly.
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
denphone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 14:56   #53
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,871
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone View Post
He has only been in the job for a day but quelle surprise the ad hominem attacks have already started unsurprisingly.
The fact that as DPP he presided over the decision not to prosecute Jimmy Saville for “lack of evidence” is not an ad hominem attack. The judgment of a man who wants to be prime minister is very much a relevant issue.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 15:44   #54
Hugh
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,042
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
The fact that as DPP he presided over the decision not to prosecute Jimmy Saville for “lack of evidence” is not an ad hominem attack. The judgment of a man who wants to be prime minister is very much a relevant issue.
Much like the judgement of a man who prorogued Parliament unlawfully - if BJ gets away with it because he was told by his Attorney General that doing it was legal, doesn't the same caveat apply to Keir Starmer (he would have gone on the advice of his legal team).

Most of the accusations about Saville came out after his death - here are the four that came out before his death.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...e-8447827.html
Quote:
A review of the CPS decisions and the police action concluded that a prosecution could have been possible in three out of the four cases. At the time the CPS lawyer concluded that because none of the victims wished to give evidence, no prosecutions could be brought.

However, the review of their actions by the DPP found police should have told victims they were not alone in making complaints, and that the CPS lawyer should have challenged police conclusions.
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.

Last edited by Hugh; 05-04-2020 at 15:55.
Hugh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 17:10   #55
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

People can call into question Starmer's leadership of the CPS, it's entirely fair, that said he doesn't appear he did much wrong with the Saville case.
Damien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 17:43   #56
Stuart
-
 
Stuart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Somewhere
Services: Virgin for TV and Internet, BT for phone
Posts: 26,536
Stuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver bling
Stuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver blingStuart has a lot of silver bling
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
And extraordinary times they have been ... yet we still have a Tory government and one with a bigger majority than Cameron had in 2015.

In fact, things really don’t tend to change dramatically. Even the 1997 Labour landslide occurred after 18 years of Tory government, and Tony Blair’s major success was putting a fresh face on continuity. The Tories looked worn out, and out of ideas. Blair looked young and energetic but none of his new ideas actually changed very much; not in the first term anyway.

British electoral history since WW2 suggests a majority the size Boris has now can be reduced by an effective Labour campaign in 2024 but Starmer has next to no chance of actually winning it.
As I probably said at the time, I don't actually think DC was that great a leader, or even particularly liked. I think he was just disliked less than the leaders of the other parties. In short, I think the Tories won the election not because they fought well, but because the other parties fought more badly than they did.
Stuart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 18:52   #57
pip08456
Sad Doig Fan!
 
pip08456's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Barry South Wales
Age: 67
Services: With VM for BB 250Mb service.(Deal)
Posts: 11,647
pip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny star
pip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny starpip08456 has a nice shiny star
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

First shadow cabinet appointments.

Anneliese Dodds Shadow Chancellor
Lisa Nandy Shadow Foreign Secretary
Nick Thomas-Symonds Shadow Home Secretary
Rachel Reeves Shadow Chancellor is the Duchy of Lancaster
Jonathan Ashworth Shadow Health Secretary.
pip08456 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 18:56   #58
nashville
nashville
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Rutherglen. Glasgow
Services: Virgin Media
Posts: 5,174
nashville has a nice shiny star
nashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny starnashville has a nice shiny star
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

I hope he does well in Scotland and get rid of the /S N P, for good.
nashville is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 19:47   #59
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,230
jfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronze
jfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronzejfman is cast in bronze
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville View Post
I hope he does well in Scotland and get rid of the /S N P, for good.
Needs a policy platform first. SNP win at a canter because all other parties split essentially the same voter base. Can't out Tory the Tories when it comes to union flag waving.
jfman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 20:04   #60
Hugh
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,042
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Quote:
Anneliese Dodds Shadow Chancellor
Lisa Nandy Shadow Foreign Secretary
Nick Thomas-Symonds Shadow Home Secretary
Rachel Reeves Shadow Chancellor is the Duchy of Lancaster
Jonathan Ashworth Shadow Health Secretary.
Wow!

Not a criticism, just a comment - can’t ever remember a Shadow Chancellor with 3 years Parliamentary experience, and a Shadow Home Secretary with 5 years Parliamentary experience.
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 22:52.


Server: osmium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.