Brexit (Old)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As Pip says, there is evidence. Macron's public statement on TV that we would stay in the Backstop unless we gave him our fishing rights.

One French Prime Minister doth not an EU make.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The backstop was our idea/solution ! Now we want to get rid of it !

The UK doesn't want a backstop. It was the EU that refused any alternatives.

Link

The EU originally proposed a backstop that would mean Northern Ireland staying in the EU customs union, large parts of the single market and the EU VAT system.

No backstop is really needed as there is NO EU rule preventing non-EU certified goods being in the EU. Only that they can't be marketed etc. Until UK product rules change, which where it happens will take time, the UK and EU rules will be aligned. We're unlikely to go on a massive spree of changing UK rules.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

… and another point or two.


1/
Corbyn's lot voted for Article 50 and for the Withdrawal Act 2018.

2/
Corbyn has been banging on about being in the Customs Union and protecting the GFA.

3/
TM's deal keeps us in the Customs Union and prevents an Irish Border.

4/
Corbyn's lot voted against TM's deal, non-the-least because of the Backstop and of course much the most so they could get into power.
5/
Corbyn's lot voted against the Brady amendment on no honestly held basis.


Corbyn is the worst political snake I've ever seen.

Your young just give it time.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

One French Prime Minister doth not an EU make.

We as 27 have a clear position on fair competition, on fish, on the subject of the EU’s regulatory autonomy, and that forms part of our lines for the future relationship talks, which is a lever, because it is in our mutual interest to have this future relationship.

“I can’t imagine that the desire of Theresa May or her supporters is to remain for the long term in a customs union, but to define a proper future relationship which resolves this problem.”

The French President added: “I don’t want to interfere on the decision in parliament.”

Stripped back from the emotive language of the Express it’s much more boring.

He’s a President though, if that changes anything

The funny thing is everyone bemoans the unelected bureaucrats yet don’t realise they are the balance against the nationalist tendencies of elected politicians. The aim being to ensure everyone benefits collectively from participation.

The English fishing fleet relies on access to French, Irish and Norwegian waters.

https://www.ft.com/content/84f51c84-...7-502f7ee26895

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The backstop was our idea/solution ! Now we want to get rid of it !

No the backstop was the EU’s idea, enlarging the backstop to cover the entire UK was the UKs idea, to avoid splittting N.I. From G.B.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

One French Prime Minister doth not an EU make.

But a French President who has just signed a hegemonic treaty with Germany pretty much does, sort of thing.

[Carth]

. . . and I think I'm right in saying that, according to the Brussels mob, it only takes one member to say 'non' and it kills the deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

. . . and I think I'm right in saying that, according to the Brussels mob, it only takes one member to say 'non' and it kills the deal

EU's been pretty good at doing deals - it has the most of any economic bloc in the world. In fact, a free trade agreement with Japan (population 126.8m) comes into force tomorrow.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

. . . and I think I'm right in saying that, according to the Brussels mob, it only takes one member to say 'non' and it kills the deal

Poland might kill an A50 extension if TM slips them the word!

[Angua]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The issue isn't the backstop as such. It is that it's under one-sided control by the EU. They decide whether it ends. They will leave it in indefinitely, unless we give in yet more than by the massive amount we already have.

Problem has always been the cart of leaving the EU being put before the horse of a united Ireland.

The International treaty that governs the GFA takes precedence over the more local UK withdrawal from the EU. So the deal negotiated has reflected the need to cover the GFA as a priority. Something the DUP have never really signed up to.

Clearest solution is to withdraw A50. Have an Irish unification referendum, then re-run the EU referendum on that basis.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Poland might kill an A50 extension if TM slips them the word!

Wouldn’t that be them interfering in our Government?

Anyway, on the Today programme this morning, the Foreign Secretary said that our commitment to the GFA and to not having a hard border is unconditional, and that any changes to the backstop will have to show that we will not be accessing the Single Market via the "back door" - if we can overcome those two issues, which he thinks we can, then we will be able to have substantive discussions, but this is not going to happen in the next few days.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Wouldn’t that be them interfering in our Government?

Anyway, on the Today programme this morning, the Foreign Secretary said that our commitment to the GFA and to not having a hard border is unconditional, and that any changes to the backstop will have to show that we will not be accessing the Single Market via the "back door" - if we can overcome those two issues, which he thinks we can, then we will be able to have substantive discussions, but this is not going to happen in the next few days.

I think we should just Leave the EU (as per Referendum result) and see how that pans out.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think we should just Leave the EU (as per Referendum result) and see how that pans out.

And if it doesn't work out ?

[papa smurf]

Italy falls into recession as quarterly GDP drops
The country's economic growth has been dragged by a slowdown around the EU while Germany is expected to narrowly avoid recession.


https://news.sky.com/story/italy-ent...drops-11623135

Oh dear looks like the wheels are starting to fall off


the country's economic growth has been dragged down by a generalised slowdown around the continent.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think we should just Leave the EU (as per Referendum result) and see how that pans out.

Shuuuush don't tell them. That's what we are doing ...