Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Its CO2 levels and the undeniable increases in temperature you need to be looking at OLD BOY..... Carbon absorption within whose parameters for what? Its obviously not an effective measure of climate change.
What evidence would you accept, when the water comes through the door, or when it gets to the ceiling might you think something was up?

Guess we'll have to disagree but its by far and away the biggest threat facing us. Forget trivialities like Trump, Brexit, immigration etc. All those we can do something about. Its getting to the point, or maybe already past it, where where we can do anything about the climate. However we should try.

Still in denial eh? I believe you know exactly what that graph says but just can't bring yourself to admit.

Still let's humour you one more time

the mess of lines is the forecasts from all of these expert climate scientists you fervently believe in like it's a new religion. The black line is the average (alright mean but who's quibbling) of them all.

The blobs at the bottom are what mother nature actually did - inclusive of any influence we did or didn't have.

Even you can see that reality and your fantasy land are diverging at an ever increasing rate.

My 5 year old grandson can see the lines don't match.

There is no possibility of denying that the climate models plain and simple are WRONG.

If you try and hindcast with your models, it's even more ludicrous.

[Mr K]

Oh dear keep referring back to the photo I posted earlier.

Found where your graph has come from now - Dr Roy Spencer...

Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming,which states that "We believe Earth and its ecosystems—created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence —are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)
If the Lord is going to save us, then fair enough.

[Mr K]

Arctic heatwave could break records - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38417198

Temperatures at the North Pole could be upto 20 degrees higher than average this Christmas Eve, in what scientists say is a record-breaking heatwave.
Climate scientists say these unseasonably warm weather patterns in the Arctic region are directly linked to man-made climate change.

Santa is going to trouble with his sleigh.... The evidence keeps mounting up.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Arctic heatwave could break records - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38417198

Santa is going to trouble with his sleigh.... The evidence keeps mounting up.

ho ho ho little boy i'll still make it to your house to deliver your worry beads ho ho ho merry xmas - turn that heating down woman it roasting in here

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Its CO2 levels and the undeniable increases in temperature you need to be looking at OLD BOY..... Carbon absorption within whose parameters for what? Its obviously not an effective measure of climate change.
What evidence would you accept, when the water comes through the door, or when it gets to the ceiling might you think something was up?

Guess we'll have to disagree but its by far and away the biggest threat facing us. Forget trivialities like Trump, Brexit, immigration etc. All those we can do something about. Its getting to the point, or maybe already past it, where where we can do anything about the climate. However we should try.

I think you're missing something, Mr K. We have been talking exactly about these two points.

What you haven't grasped is that there are no increases in CO2 levels that are outside normal parameters.

This should indicate that IF global warming is happening, it is not down to man.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think you're missing something, Mr K. We have been talking exactly about these two points.

What you haven't grasped is that there are no increases in CO2 levels that are outside normal parameters.

This should indicate that IF global warming is happening, it is not down to man.

Thinking your missing/ignoring the chart I posted earlier showing the increase in CO2 levels and the corresponding increase in temperatures over the last 150 years. CO2 increases within whose normal parameters?

If the increases in temperature are a natural phenomenon why is it happening at a faster rate than ever before? And why does it exactly oincide with the increases in carbon emissions since the Industrial Revolution? Hell of a coincidence.

[GrimUpNorth]

If it was CO2 in isolation I suppose all the climate change deniers might have a point. You do however have to look at the wider picture - NOx, hydrocarbons (methane) and where the GHG's are realised have an important impact on climate change. It makes me smile when those that deny the change are also the ones unwilling to change their ways ( coincidence?) but will also be the most vocal when the climate gives them a good slapping. As Mr K says our climate is changing and we should ignore it at our peril.

The bankers refused to acknowledge bad times were coming despite all the warnings and the climate change deniers are no better.

Cheers

Grim

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oh dear keep referring back to the photo I posted earlier.

Found where your graph has come from now - Dr Roy Spencer...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)
If the Lord is going to save us, then fair enough.

Nice try at deflection.

It is irrelevant who produced the graph, now back to these 2 troubling (for you) items

1. The forecasts are your beloved climate scientists guesses
2. The actuals are what mother nature is doing

I notice no attempt whatever by you to state that either of these two things aren't true.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Arctic heatwave could break records - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38417198

Santa is going to trouble with his sleigh.... The evidence keeps mounting up.

Not in The Sahara apparently

..and that Global Temps Falling Fast

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OhReally

..and that Global Temps Falling Fast

You need to be looking at a slightly longer timescale than a few months !

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

[Mr K]

Major flooding in UK now likely every year, warns lead climate adviser

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y_to_clipboard

A year after severe floods in wake of Storm Desmond, John Krebs says ministers still have no coherent long-term plan to deal with it.

Krebs said rejection of human-caused climate change and its great risks – which he calls denial – is a “fringe discourse”, with 114 of the world’s nations already having ratified the global climate deal signed by 194 countries in Paris a year ago.

But he said: “We shouldn’t be complacent because those dissenting voices are well-organised, funded and persistent. One has to be strong in the message that the risks are so great that taking out insurance [by acting] now is well worth it.”

Good to see the Govt. is on top of things. Govts., of whatever colour, only seem to be interested when flooding is actually happening and costing votes. Inbetween times budgets slide. They need to take a slightly longer outlook.

Originally Posted by Mr K

You need to be looking at a slightly longer timescale than a few months !

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

Again, a nice try at deflection. Your 3rd and last chance before you prove yourself to have no integrity whatsoever.

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It is irrelevant who produced the graph, now back to these 2 troubling (for you) items

1. The forecasts are your beloved climate scientists guesses
2. The actuals are what mother nature is doing

I notice no attempt whatever by you to state that either of these two things aren't true.
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So it's now put up or shut the f up.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OhReally

Again, a nice try at deflection. Your 3rd and last chance before you prove yourself to have no integrity whatsoever.

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It is irrelevant who produced the graph, now back to these 2 troubling (for you) items

1. The forecasts are your beloved climate scientists guesses
2. The actuals are what mother nature is doing

I notice no attempt whatever by you to state that either of these two things aren't true.
**

So it's now put up or shut the f up.

Ok Mr Oh Really,

Your 'questions'are silly but here goes.

1. Forecasts , are based on science, not guesses.
2. Mother Nature.There have been changes in the climate in the past, but nothing at the rate of what is happening over the last 150 years which coincides with man's industrial activity. Sun spots etc can't explain the rate of increase over that timescale. You can't just use a few years when looking at climate change. As can be seen from all these graphs temperatures do go up and down from year to year but the trend is upwards.

As for 'shutting the f up', yes I could do that but it's not a great debating argument. It isn't going to stop the climate warming which will make life on this planet increasingly difficult .

Mod comment - please debate, not insult - using phrases such as 'shut the f up' again, or similar language, will result in Infractions being incurred

My language was inappropriate Mr K. I apologise.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OhReally

My language was inappropriate Mr K. I apologise.

No worries bud.