14-12-2019, 11:04
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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What are you on about, Mr K? Nobody is suggesting that doctors should be prevented from coming into this country, are they?
I suppose that because you imply it continuously, it must be true. 
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Yes, that is bad, but Boris's new point-based immigration system will resolve that. We are still working under May's rules at the moment. |
That was resolved rather quickly in 2018.
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Doctors and nurses were exempted from the visa limits in June, which meant they were not included in a cap of 20,700 annual restricted certificates of sponsorship (RCOS) for Tier 2 (General) visas applied to employees from outside the EU. The move came after a campaign from the medical profession to help tackle urgent talent shortages.
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Pity Mr K doesn't keep up to date or perhaps does it on purpose? IDK.
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14-12-2019, 11:08
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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That was resolved rather quickly in 2018.
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Ah, yes, that article was dated April 2018! Hadn't noticed that but I thought it was strange!
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14-12-2019, 11:32
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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Ah, yes, that article was dated April 2018! Hadn't noticed that but I thought it was strange!
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Yes I posted that back in May OB, do keep up ! 
Wonder where all these 40 new hospitals are going to be built ?
Or the 50,000 new nurses, seeing as we currently.have 44,000 vacancies, forecast to rose to 100,000. in a decade ...
https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/n...s-warns-report
We wait with anticipation...
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Maybe we should bring conscription back - for nursing ?
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14-12-2019, 11:46
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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Yes I posted that back in May OB, do keep up !
Wonder where all these 40 new hospitals are going to be built ?
Or the 50,000 new nurses, seeing as we currently.have 44,000 vacancies, forecast to rose to 100,000. in a decade ...
https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/n...s-warns-report
We wait with anticipation...
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Yes you did, 11 months after it had been resolved.
Your link from April 2018
Resolved by June 2018
Your post May 2019.
Did you think you'd fool us into thinking that you'd posted it before it was resolved?
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14-12-2019, 11:49
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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Yes I posted that back in May OB, do keep up !
Wonder where all these 40 new hospitals are going to be built ?
Or the 50,000 new nurses, seeing as we currently.have 44,000 vacancies, forecast to rose to 100,000. in a decade ...
https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/n...s-warns-report
We wait with anticipation...
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Maybe we should bring conscription back - for nursing ? |
NHS will survive Mr K, I'm more concerned that we now won't get the 2 billion new trees that your mate Corbin would have provided, and the free broadband for all . . . or was that just empty promises too?
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14-12-2019, 19:45
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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NHS will survive Mr K, I'm more concerned that we now won't get the 2 billion new trees that your mate Corbin would have provided, and the free broadband for all . . . or was that just empty promises too?
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The tree thing was do able, Norway have been constantly reforresting for 100 years and now have three times as much as they used to besides which planting loads of trees was a far better aspiration than flogging off the forestry commission
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14-12-2019, 19:56
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
Please note that deciduous trees are no good in the winter months so we need to plant coniferous varieties as well.
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14-12-2019, 19:58
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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Please note that deciduous trees are no good in the winter months so we need to plant coniferous varieties as well.
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Don't think we need worry about it at all now Richard...
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14-12-2019, 20:14
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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Don't think we need worry about it at all now Richard...
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I might tell Greta you said that...! 
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14-12-2019, 21:42
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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I might tell Greta you said that...! |
You know what, if we did do something like that it might save us getting lectured by an annoying school girl, sod the clean air it's worth it for that alone
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14-12-2019, 23:32
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
Topic?
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19-12-2019, 12:44
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
[QUOTE=noel43;36020669]
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Our gov ain't running our NHS very well,it's about to collapse.
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Where are we going with this? Ah, yes, the NHS collapses and then this filthy rich company called Trump Inc comes along and saves the day.
Nothing wrong with that, necessarily. Nice modern hospitals would spring up, the staff would be bright and alert, and ready to deal with any emergency, and giant burgers available in the canteen (keeping the customers coming back for weight loss surgery)....
In case of confusion, I have taken noel's post from the Brexit thread as we seemed to be digressing.
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NHS will survive Mr K, I'm more concerned that we now won't get the 2 billion new trees that your mate Corbin would have provided, and the free broadband for all . . . or was that just empty promises too?
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The hospital grounds aren't big enough for all those trees.... 
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19-12-2019, 13:37
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
TV programme on Channel 4 tonight at 9pm.
The Cure.
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In 2007, Julie Bailey's elderly mum Bella was admitted to Stafford Hospital with a treatable hernia condition. Eight weeks later she was dead, having endured appalling levels of care and neglect. But this wasn't an isolated case. Julie was determined that no other patient should suffer in the same way and she launched a campaign called Cure the NHS. Drama based on a true story,
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19-12-2019, 16:47
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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In 2007, Julie Bailey's elderly mum Bella was admitted to Stafford Hospital with a treatable hernia condition. Eight weeks later she was dead, having endured appalling levels of care and neglect. But this wasn't an isolated case. Julie was determined that no other patient should suffer in the same way and she launched a campaign called Cure the NHS. Drama based on a true story,
TV programme on Channel 4 tonight at 9pm.
The Cure.
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This is what worries me. We all appreciate having a health service free at the point of delivery, but it is inefficient and often provides unsatisfactory service. It needs a fundamental overhaul, and if the private sector can help by making things work better, we should not shrink from going down that route. As long as it continues to be 'free', why should it matter who provides the service?
I hope Boris sets up a Royal Commission to look into the integration of health and social care and to recommend ways of ensuring these services are brought up to the standard we expect as efficiently as possible.
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19-12-2019, 22:25
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Re: Crisis in the NHS
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This is what worries me. We all appreciate having a health service free at the point of delivery, but it is inefficient and often provides unsatisfactory service. It needs a fundamental overhaul, and if the private sector can help by making things work better, we should not shrink from going down that route. As long as it continues to be 'free', why should it matter who provides the service?
I hope Boris sets up a Royal Commission to look into the integration of health and social care and to recommend ways of ensuring these services are brought up to the standard we expect as efficiently as possible.
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Because if there is a profit motive, this reduces the amount spent on the service, and adds layers of bureaucracy and cost.
The French and German model is run on State and Registered Charity model, not on a "for profit" model; the estimate is that about 30 percent of American health care expenditures were the result of administration, and that’s before the profit margin is introduced. Private Health in this country depends on the NHS as a backstop - if anything goes seriously wrong, the patient is shipped to the NHS for intensive care & emergency care.
A perfect example of where involving the private sector went wrong is the Probation system - the focus was on cost savings, not making the service fit for purpose.
I agree we need to look at a holistic solution for health and social care, as there are too many gaps at present.
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