02-07-2006, 20:19
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
If anything NTL stand to ruin Virgins good name!
Branson will prob live to regreat it...
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02-07-2006, 20:46
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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Companies often change their name if the old one has a bad reputation. Anderson Consulting were one of several Arthur Anderson companies involved in the Enron scandal. Rather than try and weather the storm, they changed their name to "accenture".
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Actually they changed the name before the Enron scandal, having fallen out with Arthur Andersen. Very fortuitous timing, all the same.
They're still commonly referred to as "Androids" though.
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02-07-2006, 20:59
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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Originally Posted by Stuart C
Companies often change their name if the old one has a bad reputation. Anderson Consulting were one of several Arthur Anderson companies involved in the Enron scandal. Rather than try and weather the storm, they changed their name to "accenture".
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Actually they changed the name before the Enron scandal, having fallen out with Arthur Andersen. Very fortuitous timing, all the same.
They're still commonly referred to as "Androids" though.
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That may be true, but they didn't heavily publicise the new name until Enron had happened.
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02-07-2006, 22:38
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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That may be true, but they didn't heavily publicise the new name until Enron had happened.
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lol. don't think that we can brand NTL with the same brush as Enron, although some of Barclay Knapps deals could be said to have been extreme folly - pity that he couldn't be done for criminal stupidity.
in all fairness to NTL:Telewest it is going to be a brand new company (in terms of size and scope) so if Virgin people get involved I am sure it can only be good for the customer.
what kind of publicity stun will Branson pull tho when the name does change, maybe a rocket to the moon!!!
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03-07-2006, 02:54
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
I'm more interested to know what pricing package will be offered to users wanting telephone/television/internet and mobile phone. Currently with Orange who are increasing their prices by stealth - (latest is £1.50 per month for itemised billing unless you opt out)
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06-07-2006, 23:54
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
how many Virgin workers are getting it (the sack that is)
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21-07-2006, 22:08
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
NTL, as far as I have been told, will change their name to Virgin on or after January 07. With the buy over of Telewest and Virgin it is promised that customer satisfaction will improve!
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22-07-2006, 09:47
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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Originally Posted by macca101
in all fairness to NTL:Telewest it is going to be a brand new company (in terms of size and scope) so if Virgin people get involved I am sure it can only be good for the customer.
what kind of publicity stun will Branson pull tho when the name does change, maybe a rocket to the moon!!!
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it wont b a brand new comany because all the top management wil stil be there going round in circles.
A rocket to the moon?
More like a rocket up the boards ****'s and some higher management!!
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22-07-2006, 11:03
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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Originally Posted by Stuart C
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Originally Posted by spiderplant
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Originally Posted by Stuart C
Companies often change their name if the old one has a bad reputation. Anderson Consulting were one of several Arthur Anderson companies involved in the Enron scandal. Rather than try and weather the storm, they changed their name to "accenture".
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Actually they changed the name before the Enron scandal, having fallen out with Arthur Andersen. Very fortuitous timing, all the same.
They're still commonly referred to as "Androids" though.
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That may be true, but they didn't heavily publicise the new name until Enron had happened.
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Actually, that's completely incorrect, Stu. I was working for AC/Accenture at the time and I can tell you that Andersen Consulting were legally forced to stop using the name as of 1st January 2001, as part of the separation terms enforced by the International Chamber of Commerce.
The decision from the ICC was announced in September 2000. The company then had 80 days to come up with a new brand which had to be used as of Jan 1st. The Andersen Consulting name was removed from everything - including all buildings, laptops, consultants' luggage tags, every single letter head, etc... prior to the deadline (although I've still got an old AC mug at home ). Things that couldn't be changed, ie software, were rebranded with a disclaimer saying that Andersen Consulting referred to the company now known as Accenture, and had nothing to do with Arthur Andersen.
The name change was 100% categorically nothing to do with Arthur Andersen. The divorce from AA started in '98 and was instigated because of a convulated scheme whereby the more successful of the 2 companies was supposed to pay the other company 15% of its profits. This arrangement, itself, dated back to 1989 when Andersen Consulting was initially split from Arthur Andersen and the parent group AWSC.
The findings of the ICC meant that Arthur Andersen got to keep the name Andersen Consulting, and I remember getting emails from people at AA which showed they were planning on renaming themselves to take advantage of owning the name AC. There are also some hilarious cartoons over at Bigtime Consulting - see here, here, here and here (conceived and drawn by an AC employee) detailing the affair
In reality, the name change was always going to happen in any case. There was a competition internally to find a new name for AC (after the suggestions made by an external marketing company were all rejected) which slighlty predated the decision by the ICC. The Partners had already expressed how they thought the "Consulting" part of the name was a hindrence, as the company was already starting to do more and more outsourcing work even back then. From what I remember, it was a Senior Manager from the Norway office who came up with the name (who supposedly got the idea from the phrase "Accent on the Future")... all he got out of it was the chance to go to some golf tournament and shake hands with the CEO Joe Forehand.
The Enron affair didn't start until the autumn of 2001. I was at St Charles in Chicago with a bunch of AA employees in the summer of 2001, and it wasn't until several months after that date that things kicked off.
Just wanted to clear that up. Also Accenture's legal department are some of the smartest people you can meet, so they wouldn't take too kindly to suggesting they were in any way implicated with the Enron affair
ps - it's Anders en not Anders on
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22-07-2006, 16:16
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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NTL, as far as I have been told, will change their name to Virgin on or after January 07. With the buy over of Telewest and Virgin it is promised that customer satisfaction will improve!
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There is a porogram on one of the music channels called "The next record will be great" - how do they know that? because the last one was crap so has to be better.
The same applies to Ryans comment that "satisfaction will improve" and how can they be so sure? because they know that so far it's been crap, so can only improve.
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22-07-2006, 19:26
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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Originally Posted by macca101
in all fairness to NTL:Telewest it is going to be a brand new company (in terms of size and scope) so if Virgin people get involved I am sure it can only be good for the customer.
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You've obviously never dealt with either Virgin Atlantic, or Virgin Trains then (both companies that in my experience, lack good customer services).
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22-07-2006, 20:35
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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There is a porogram on one of the music channels called "The next record will be great" - how do they know that? because the last one was crap so has to be better. The same applies to Ryans comment that "satisfaction will improve" and how can they be so sure? because they know that so far it's been crap, so can only improve.
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<sarcasm mode on> "50+ million people cannot be right" </sarcasm mode not turned off>
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12-08-2006, 09:39
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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Yeah think that is right.
Have to get Telewest and NTL together first of all but I'm told that is all going at full speed, and really moving quicker than expected.
With NTL paying £30 million or what ever to Branson from when the takeover happens I can't see it being too long. Virgin Comms seems like a good one.
Asks another question though, anybody know what is happening with the Business side, know that has changed to NTL:Telewest, will that go to Virgin Branding too, could see that happening quicker as the Customer Service is much better.
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No the Business side won't be adopting the Virgin brand. Don't know what it will be, but it wont be Virgin. I think it is too Consumer orientated.
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12-08-2006, 20:59
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
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No the Business side won't be adopting the Virgin brand. Don't know what it will be, but it wont be Virgin. I think it is too Consumer orientated.
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It will pobably be "Virgin on the ridiculous"
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14-08-2006, 19:52
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Re: New Name? Virgin Home
u need to get you coat there fireman!!!! lolol
it may be something like Virgin (jnsert name here) So as already said Virgin Home etc but where would that leave the old telewest company? Virign TeleHome maybe?
i think its a case of watch this space or the BBC!!
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