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Old 04-03-2021, 21:42   #46
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Re: The future of television

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Thereís no contradiction. The pre-recorded programmes would be on demand and the live programmes would be streamed. Obviously, each live stream would start when the live action started (as it does now on Amazon).

The use of the word Ďlinearí was meant to refer to our traditional TV channels. It was widely described in this way on the internet at that time. Unfortunately, I didnít bargain for all the nit-picking that would result from this on the forum. Silly me.

Anyway, letís move on. All of that was five years ago. Time to get over it. Itís much more interesting to talk about various scenarios that may transpire in the coming years.

Except for those who cannot bear the thought that all those channel numbers might actually disappear over the next decade or so and donít want to even try to imagine that.

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Baiting again, jfman?
But that isnít what we are saying - we are saying there will still be (delivered by IPTV, DTT, or whatever) a regular schedule of programmes, running throughout the morning, day, and evening, running on after each other, just like now - there may not be as many channels as now, but there will a reasonable number.

That is completely different from "The pre-recorded programmes would be on demand and the live programmes would be streamed. Obviously, each live stream would start when the live action started".

I think they will co-exist, not be mutually exclusive...
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Old 04-03-2021, 21:55   #47
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Re: The future of television

This is exactly why I'm trying to pin down the definition of linear which OB refuses to deliver.

We've not even touched on the Pluto TV contradiction yet.
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Old 05-03-2021, 01:29   #48
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Re: The future of television

I said at the time closing BBC3 was a ridiculously stupid decision.

BBC1- General entertainment BBC2- High brow shows BBC3- Teen/twenty year old shows BBC4- High brow shows a little more high brow

When trying to save money how on earth did the BBC executives think "oh....lets save BBC4 which pretty much gives the same type of show as BBC2 rather than focus on the younger generation who we need to keep the license fee going"

I say that as someone who supports the BBC too. It was beyond thick. Whoever made that decision would appear to have graduated from thickerson university with a degree in thickery.

Should have closed BBC4 and merged it with BBC2. Kept BBC3 open. If you'd wanted the young audience you could have just had some classic bbc kids shows between 10am-6pm and got the millenials to watch the shows they watched as kids. Look how well that show from CBBC about the girl who was in the childrens home.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:18   #49
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Re: The future of television

The thing is it didn't really save as much as portrayed as they still had to develop BBC 3 type content for broadcast on BBC 3 and in small portions at random hours on BBC One.

All that changed, unsurprisingly, is that nobody watched it due to a lack of prominence.

Going from 7 (Freeview), 106 (cable and Freesat), 115 (Sky) to hidden away at the back of an app is in no way, shape or form comparable.
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Channel 4 was the start of the decline...
No, Sky and satellite/cable tv was start of the decline. We wanted quantity over quality and we got it.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:11   #51
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No, Sky and satellite/cable tv was start of the decline. We wanted quantity over quality and we got it.
I don't think the original analogue Sky/cable services were awful in terms of balance.

Then digital came along and suddenly you had capacity for hundreds of channels. Which has always been my point around linear channels - they are extremely cheap to operate if you own the content anyway.
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Re: The future of television

With 7 (seven) minutes of adverts every 15 minutes, I think it's more about revenue than content
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Re: The future of television

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This is exactly why I'm trying to pin down the definition of linear which OB refuses to deliver.
Google is your friend ;

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Linear TV is a traditional system in which a viewer watches a scheduled TV program at the time it's broadcast and on its original channel. It also can be recorded via DVR and watched later.
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Re: The future of television

This isn't about the future of television but as the Netflix/Streaming Services thread is now closed with people redirected to this thread I guess this is the place to post streaming service news.......

Starzplay are currently offering a deal of 6 months at £1:99 a month and Eurosport are offering a 12 month sub for £19:99.

If its inappropriate to share this news here please can a mod tell me where I should share it now the natural home for such news has closed its doors?
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This isn't about the future of television but as the Netflix/Streaming Services thread is now closed with people redirected to this thread I guess this is the place to post streaming service news.......

Starzplay are currently offering a deal of 6 months at £1:99 a month and Eurosport are offering a 12 month sub for £19:99.

If its inappropriate to share this news here please can a mod tell me where I should share it now the natural home for such news has closed its doors?
Please feel free to start a new thread for this - if you give it a title reflecting the fact that itís for news and announcements that would be great. The old thread was just too cluttered with ... well. You see it here now.
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I'm 100% on board with that definition.
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I'm 100% on board with that definition.
I think most people are, and quite a lot of us have posted something similar...
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I think most people are, and quite a lot of us have posted something similar...
I think there are two separate, legitimate discussions to be had. However they are entirely separate, as scheduled linear over IP is still linear.

Richard has raised the most pertinent point about DTT - it'd likely to be scaled back, maintaining a baseline, rather than one big switch off.
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I think there are two separate, legitimate discussions to be had. However they are entirely separate, as scheduled linear over IP is still linear.

Richard has raised the most pertinent point about DTT - it'd likely to be scaled back, maintaining a baseline, rather than one big switch off.
But as Hughís definition clarifies, itís not recordable over IP.

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But that isnít what we are saying - we are saying there will still be (delivered by IPTV, DTT, or whatever) a regular schedule of programmes, running throughout the morning, day, and evening, running on after each other, just like now - there may not be as many channels as now, but there will a reasonable number.

That is completely different from "The pre-recorded programmes would be on demand and the live programmes would be streamed. Obviously, each live stream would start when the live action started".

I think they will co-exist, not be mutually exclusive...
I think what will happen is that programmes will appear on designated days, just like on other streamers. Only the live stuff will commence at a particular time later in the day.

Youíve only got to look at Amazon to see how this is likely to work.

Yes, itís just a different method of delivery, but I have never claimed otherwise. But the way we access the content will feel very different from now.
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But as Hugh’s definition clarifies, it’s not recordable over IP.

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I think what will happen is that programmes will appear on designated days, just like on other streamers. Only the live stuff will commence at a particular time later in the day.

You’ve only got to look at Amazon to see how this is likely to work.

Yes, it’s just a different method of delivery, but I have never claimed otherwise. But the way we access the content will feel very different from now.
Eh?

You can already record IPTV...

https://www.simplehelp.net/2019/12/1...n-iptv-stream/

ON your second point, you’re still saying there won’t be a daily schedule of timed programmes running one after another (like we have now), just scheduled live "stuff"?

I beg to disagree.
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