Brexit (Old)

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Or until a method of tracking trade across the border exists, without border controls.

Remember, if we have no border trade controls at the Irish/NI border, under WTO rules we have to treat all other countries the same way.

Whatever it is the EU are the ones that effectively have the final UNILATERAL say. The UK isn't that bothered, it is the EU that is kicking up all the fuss and insisting it is THEIR border.

The World Trade Organisation (WTO) has said that there is nothing in its rules that would force either the EU or UK to erect a hard Irish border after Brexit.
The Geneva-based trade body where countries negotiate the rules of international trade would only intervene in a dispute over trade if one of its 164 member countries made a complaint.

[RichardCoulter]

Whichever way the parties decide to go, they risk alienating approx 50% of the electorate.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well don't JC for achieving the impossible, I will NEVER vote labour again.

All my life I have voted labour, but never again.

All these traitors who are trying to block brexit, must have forgotten that leavers will vote them out.

I myself cannot vote for my MP he his blocking us leaving plus he is anti same sex relationship, so 2 reason to oust him.

If the case for leaving is still overwhelming, no problem with another vote surely ? Or is there a danger the young might get shaken out of their apathy, and the Brexit lies might have swayed some?

If we still vote to leave don't think anyone could complain as we are more than informed now of the oncoming disaster.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by denphone

No one is a traitor , saboteur or muntineer as that type of inflammatory language should not be aimed at anybody.

Without the Remain side continually obstructing any plans and trying to overturn the democratic vote, we would have an acceptable deal with the EU and/or fully planned for a hard Brexit. Love to see examples of what the Remain side is meant to have to done that didn't obstruct the whole process?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Without the Remain side continually obstructing any plans and trying to overturn the democratic vote, we would have an acceptable deal with the EU and/or fully planned for a hard Brexit. Love to see examples of what the Remain side is meant to have to done that didn't obstruct the whole process?

Blame Remain for Brexit? It doesn't quite work old chap.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mr K

If the case for leaving is still overwhelming, no problem with another vote surely ? Or is there a danger the young might get shaken out of their apathy, and the Brexit lies might have swayed some?

If we still vote to leave don't think anyone could complain as we are more than informed now of the oncoming disaster.

It is this seeming fear of a second referendum tickles me.

After all, didn't Farage proclaim, if Leave lost 48/52 it would be unfinished business. Yet the other way and people are supposed to put up and shut up.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Without the Remain side continually obstructing any plans and trying to overturn the democratic vote, we would have an acceptable deal with the EU and/or fully planned for a hard Brexit. Love to see examples of what the Remain side is meant to have to done that didn't obstruct the whole process?

There is a clear majority on the remain side that accepted the democratic vote from the referendum so they should not be bracketed in the same group as those who want to change the result of the referendum.

[Sephiroth]

Here is a typical piece of Grauniad leftie gollox:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...exit-destroyed


Even now, after all that’s happened over the past few days and with everything to come, Labour politicians and their aides cling to one of two excuses for their position on Brexit. The first will come most often from an MP for some kicked-about northern seat. “I voted remain, of course,” they generally begin, “but my constituents wanted Brexit.” <SNIP>

Brexit was always a project driven by the right to enrich the right. …………

Where do they find these pinko pseuds?

[Pierre]

Another referendum will decide nothing.

Unless it is something like 70/30 for Remain ( and that depends on what the question is)

If there is no mandate to leave with a 52/48, then there is no mandate to stay if it is 52/48 the other way or something in that area.

The three points that remain think another referendum will deliver a win are:

1. Many of the old arse leavers are dead now
2. Those thickos that didn’t know what Leave meant are now educated and will reverse their vote
3. None that voted remain initially will change their vote.

This has to be offset against.

1. Not all new voters are remainers
2. Just how many have died in the last 2.5 years?
3. Those that voted remain first but would vote leave now (and i put myself in that camp)

Face those two off together and will that give them a decisive majority - i think not and the circus continues.

Has it not dawned on the Westminster bubble that one of the main reasons leave won was because the population did not believe their voice mattered, they felt ignoredand left behind.

And what is Westminsters answer to that? To tell them their voice doesn’t matter, ignore them and offer them nothing.

What was it Einstein said, madness is to do the same thing again and again and expect different results.................

Originally Posted by nomadking

Whatever it is the EU are the ones that effectively have the final UNILATERAL say. The UK isn't that bothered, it is the EU that is kicking up all the fuss and insisting it is THEIR border.

You missed off the next paragraph from that statement

One expert warned that it would fall either to the UK or EU - not the WTO - to set up border checks in order to protect the integrity of their internal markets from illegal activity and divergent trade rules.

and

“The WTO will not intervene unless one of its members brought a case,” said Mr Rockwell. “If they [the UK] do not apply any duties or customs procedures against other trading partners and they do not have a trade agreement, some people might not be happy about that and they can bring a dispute settlement case.”

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Blame Remain for Brexit? It doesn't quite work old chap.

Lol. Nail on the head!

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You missed off the next paragraph from that statement and

Oops. That does indeed change the entire thrust of the article being cited.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Another referendum will decide nothing.

Unless it is something like 70/30 for Remain ( and that depends on what the question is)

If there is no mandate to leave with a 52/48, then there is no mandate to stay if it is 52/48 the other way or something in that area.

Yup. I think this is a massive problem. If Remain were to win the problem would be compounded even. I don't know how we solve this divide.

The three points that remain think another referendum will deliver a win are:

1. Many of the old arse leavers are dead now
2. Those thickos that didn’t know what Leave meant are now educated and will reverse their vote
3. None that voted remain initially will change their vote.

This has to be offset against.

1. Not all new voters are remainers
2. Just how many have died in the last 2.5 years?
3. Those that voted remain first but would vote leave now (and i put myself in that camp)

Face those two off together and will that give them a decisive majority - i think not and the circus continues.

I think the new voters would end up edging for Remain. Not all new voters are Remainers but the majority are. It's only '3' and a rebellion against being asked again that would be in Leave's reasons to be optimistic. Either way it would be close again.

No one thinks about the long-term consequences of 'winning'. Winning a narrow Remain vote will cause unrest and deep resentment. The people celebrating a no deal Brexit, even gloating at young people's concerns, are also not thinking of what the country could look like a few years down the road.

There isn't the Parliamentary Arithmetic for a Second Referendum, there is about 26 Labour MPs who won't back it for a start and there is already a handful who have publicly declared tonight that they will vote against any amendment that calls for one.

And tonight at a Labour PLP meeting, Corbyn was asked 23 times, if Remaining in the EU, would be on the ballot paper, he refused to say it would.

As usual, it's just noise.

[1andrew1]

Stripped of its usual European support because of Brexit, how is Britain faring on the global stage? Well, today, the UN ruled that it must give up its rule of the Chagos Islands.
Looks like one country is taking back control. Mauritius.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-25/...-court-orders/

[Dave42]

the sun front page tomorrow saying Teressa May going to rule out a no deal Brexit Tom Swarbrick just said on LBC

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...brexit-u-turn/