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Old 10-06-2019, 19:25   #196
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Good summary from Sky News
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Far from rising to the gravest national moment, that which exists in 2019, so often these candidates are determined to play the contest of 2016, instead...
Likewise the candidates we heard from today continue to reheat many of the components of Theresa May's stolid political regimen; assurances from Matt Hancock that we can renegotiate the backstop; promises from all of the candidates that electronic solutions to the Irish border are just around the corner - and no real attempt to explain how, without an election or referendum, the parliamentary impasse can be solved.
It seems that the approach of most of the candidates so far is not so far from Theresa May's: allow time to elapse and hope something turns up.
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-lead...jibes-11739214
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BREAKING: Conservative MP, Sam Gyimah, the only candidate backing a second referendum, withdraws from the leadership race citing a lack of support (the nomination deadline was 5pm).

---------- Post added at 18:13 ---------- Previous post was at 18:04 ----------

Latest: The 1922 Committee says Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, Mark Harper, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid, Andrea Leadsom, Esther McVey, Dominic Raab and Rory Stewart have received enough support to take part in the Conservative Party leadership contest.
Oh no not sam, thought she was going to win as well...

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Happens all the time.

Meanwhile, the weather saw plenty of Rain in Scunthorpe today.
Yes all to frequently, was funny ish the first half dozen times, now I just think how unorigional, uncouth and dull can you be, seems to happen a lot on the bbc to for some reason
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Old 11-06-2019, 21:40   #198
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is against in Parliament changes of Prime Minister it seems - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...tish-ally.html
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Old 11-06-2019, 21:51   #199
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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is against in Parliament changes of Prime Minister it seems - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...tish-ally.html
He's obviously changed his mind. Isn't that why remainers push for a second referendum, for those that have changed their minds?
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He's obviously changed his mind. Isn't that why remainers push for a second referendum, for those that have changed their minds?
Some remainers do, some remainers don't.
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Old 12-06-2019, 07:30   #201
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He's obviously changed his mind. Isn't that why remainers push for a second referendum, for those that have changed their minds?
Yes, he changed his mind over Brexit too. Will he change again?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3370296.html
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Old 12-06-2019, 08:59   #202
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Yes, he changed his mind over Brexit too. Will he change again?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3370296.html
The answer to that will depend on the question 'what is in it for Boris?'
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Yes, he changed his mind over Brexit too. Will he change again?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3370296.html
I guess if it means less work for him, then he could well be tempted. I don't think he'd lose sleep over such a decision and if he's popular with the electorate, he may get away with it. Some leavers might moan but they're going to moan anyway when the October deadline is pushed back.
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Old 12-06-2019, 11:32   #204
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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A ComRes poll for the Daily Telegraph found that Boris is the candidate who would boost the Tories at the polls the most.

If Mr Johnson became PM, 37 per cent of voters said they would vote Tory with Labour on 22 per cent, Lib Dems 20 per cent and Nigel Farage's Brexit Party getting 14 per cent.

According to Electoral Calculus, that would give the Conservatives 395 seats - far ahead of Jeremy Corbyn's party on 151.

The Brexit Party would fail to pick up a single MP if those results came to pass.

The 140-seat majority would be the Tories' largest since Margaret Thatcher smashed Labour in 1983.
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Really hate how politicians now have little cheer-squads with them to heckle and boo journalists who dare ask their leaders questions.

Boris/Corbyn/Farage - any time one of them gets asked even a mildly challenging question they get booed and heckled. What kind of society do these idiots want to live in?
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Really hate how politicians now have little cheer-squads with them to heckle and boo journalists who dare ask their leaders questions.

Boris/Corbyn/Farage - any time one of them gets asked even a mildly challenging question they get booed and heckled. What kind of society do these idiots want to live in?
The problem with journalists these days is they all want to be the one who brings down the person they are interviewing,instead of asking questions about their policies they try mud raking all the time.
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The problem with journalists these days is they all want to be the one who brings down the person they are interviewing,instead of asking questions about their policies they try mud raking all the time.
But when they do ask tough questions about policy politicians generally use that old trick of obfuscation and smoke and mirrors.
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Telegraph link included for those who have access.
How strange - the Comres site seems to give a different message for that poll - it shows Labour getting 83 more seats than the Conservatives.

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COMRES / DAILY TELEGRAPH POLL - JUNE 2019

Survey of GB adults on their voting intentions and attitudes towards different Conservative Leadership candidates.

Lab 27% -
Con 23% +3
Brex 22% +2
LD 17% +4
CHUK 1% -5
UKIP 1% -3
SNP 3% -
Green 5% +1
Other. 2% +1
(% in brackets relate to ComRes/Daily Telegraph poll on 13th May 2019)

Labour leads with a 27% share of the vote, staying level since May 2019.
Conservatives are ahead of the Brexit Party by 1 point (23% vs 22%).
The Brexit Party has gained three in ten 2017 Tory voters (31%).
The Liberal Democrats’ share of the vote rose by 4 percentage points since May 2019.

If the parties were to achieve these vote shares at a General Election it would result in Labour being the largest party but 34 seats short of a majority (Con 209, Lab 292, SNP 55, LD 30, Grn 1, PC 4, CHUK 0, Brex 41
source: www.electoralcalculus.co.uk)
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How strange - the Comres site seems to give a different message for that poll - it shows Labour getting 83 more seats than the Conservatives.
Possibly because the ComRes web page you copied from only includes the results for their standard top line “who would you vote for?” question, whereas the Telegraph has commissioned a pile of extra research, not reported on the web page, that explores differing voting intentions depending on who the next Tory leader is.

That research is in the PDF linked from your ComRes page, and the results begin in Table 34, on p37 of the PDF.

This isn’t the first set of results I’ve seen that prove the Tories have no choice but to select Boris if they want to win another election any time in the next 10 years. It remains to be seen however whether the parliamentary party is thinking straight enough to choose survival over the opportunity to settle scores.

If Boris finishes in the top 2 of the MPs ballot, he’ll win the members’ vote by a country mile and then politics in this country is going to get really interesting.
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Lots of pollsters have issue with the Telegraph's reporting on the poll though. They commissioned the question, that's fine, but to attempt to translate it into seats without context looks to be an attempt from The Telegraph to promote Boris.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/sta...15049047076864

I mean I have doubts that Boris is so popular that he'll storm to the biggest majority the Tories have seen since Thacher.....
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