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Old 12-06-2019, 16:41   #3361
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As the note does not say stockpiles cannot be in place by 31st Oct it would be fair to say its a couple or 3 months old.
The article is from todays FT. I cannot see any journalist sitting on such information for a couple of months, just to break it now.
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Old 12-06-2019, 16:48   #3362
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Old 12-06-2019, 16:52   #3363
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The article is from todays FT. I cannot see any journalist sitting on such information for a couple of months, just to break it now.
Yeah, yeah. The article assumes that a 'no deal' Brexit warrants stockpiles of medicines and border checks. Two straight forward solutions to avoid that.

1. Agree with the EU that pending a trade deal, there will be no change to our existing trading arrangements.

2. Apply the Article 24 GATT protection period.
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Old 12-06-2019, 17:09   #3364
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1. Agree with the EU that pending a trade deal, there will be no change to our existing trading arrangements..
We could call it the transition period.
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Old 12-06-2019, 17:20   #3365
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MPs have voted down Labour’s attempt to take over parliamentary business and present a bill to outlaw no-deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48613921
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Old 12-06-2019, 17:31   #3366
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MPs have voted down Labourís attempt to take over parliamentary business and present a bill to outlaw no-deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48613921
No deal, it is, then. What are you waiting for, Boris? Say it like it is!
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As the note does not say stockpiles cannot be in place by 31st Oct it would be fair to say its a couple or 3 months old.
So why on earth would everything be delayed by 3 months? How did we function before we joined EFTA, EEC etc?
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So why on earth would everything be delayed by 3 months? How did we function before we joined EFTA, EEC etc?
I didn't say anything would be delayed.
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No deal, it is, then. What are you waiting for, Boris? Say it like it is!
There is no democratic mandate for No Deal. As the whole project was supposed to be about democracy, No Deal is off the menu.
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Yeah, yeah. The article assumes that a 'no deal' Brexit warrants stockpiles of medicines and border checks. Two straight forward solutions to avoid that.

1. Agree with the EU that pending a trade deal, there will be no change to our existing trading arrangements.

2. Apply the Article 24 GATT protection period.
Did I miss a point when “straight forward” was redefined to include unworkable? Similar to how literally achieved the additional definition “figuratively”.
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There is no democratic mandate for No Deal. As the whole project was supposed to be about democracy, No Deal is off the menu.
Straw man argument.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, as remainers never tire of telling us these days. The nature of our parliamentary democracy is that members of Parliament are representatives, not delegates or deputies, also as remainers never tire of telling us these days.

If parliament passes legislation that allows for No Deal -as it did in 2017 - and then declines to take control of business in order to repeal that legislation - as it did today - then the actions of our sovereign parliament have created a situation that has all the democratic mandate it requires.
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Straw man argument.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, as remainers never tire of telling us these days. The nature of our parliamentary democracy is that members of Parliament are representatives, not delegates or deputies, also as remainers never tire of telling us these days.

If parliament passes legislation that allows for No Deal -as it did in 2017 - and then declines to take control of business in order to repeal that legislation - as it did today - then the actions of our sovereign parliament have created a situation that has all the democratic mandate it requires.
What you say here is correct if that can all hold true til November.
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Old 12-06-2019, 18:50   #3374
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Straw man argument.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, as remainers never tire of telling us these days. The nature of our parliamentary democracy is that members of Parliament are representatives, not delegates or deputies, also as remainers never tire of telling us these days.

If parliament passes legislation that allows for No Deal -as it did in 2017 - and then declines to take control of business in order to repeal that legislation - as it did today - then the actions of our sovereign parliament have created a situation that has all the democratic mandate it requires.
No straw men here In the 2017 GE, more people voted for Parties with Anti-No Deal manifestos.

Glad to know that if Parliament reject a No Deal in the coming months, you will wholeheartedly approve.
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Yeah, yeah. The article assumes that a 'no deal' Brexit warrants stockpiles of medicines and border checks. Two straight forward solutions to avoid that.

1. Agree with the EU that pending a trade deal, there will be no change to our existing trading arrangements.
"Agree with the EU" is not no deal.


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2. Apply the Article 24 GATT protection period.
Similarly, Article 24 requires an agreed plan from both parties. Agreed plan is not a no deal.

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We could call it the transition period.
So, we would be a vassal state then and the EU could keep us there indefinitely?

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The article is from todays FT. I cannot see any journalist sitting on such information for a couple of months, just to break it now.
Not the newspaper, but maybe the leaker could have held it back to the FT until today.
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