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Old 29-04-2019, 21:13   #1876
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Re: Brexit

As someone who lives outside the "Southern Bubble", you appear to have me confused with someone else...
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I wish you were right, Mick but The Telegraph have published a recording of her saying it, listen to it here.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-online-says/

I predict that the Brexit Party will make her step down; who would vote for a party fielding a candidate who does not want to ban people from watching child porn?
In the context of the question she was asked I fully agree with her answer.

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Old 29-04-2019, 22:25   #1878
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The trouble with the so called democratic decision in 2016 on the leavers side was based on bull and lies to spread the fear up the older and less intelligent people
I'm not sure I like the tone of your voice . . you young whippersnapper
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Old 29-04-2019, 23:10   #1879
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Re: Brexit

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I wish you were right, Mick but The Telegraph have published a recording of her saying it, listen to it here.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-online-says/

I predict that the Brexit Party will make her step down; who would vote for a party fielding a candidate who does not want to ban people from watching child porn?
They will do no such thing. Utter rubbish. As others have pointed out-You’ve missed her point completely.

I don’t give a shit what that link says. I stand by my post and I know what Claire was getting at, you Remainers are clutching at straws, yet again and I will still vote for the Brexit Party in EU Elections, as will millions of others who still want to leave.
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Old 30-04-2019, 07:30   #1880
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As someone who lives outside the "Southern Bubble", you appear to have me confused with someone else...
Fair enough, but I would suggest you’re in some nice white middle class bubble somewhere?

And that’s ok, so am I.

I’m just not dismissive of the reality’s of the issues out there.
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Old 30-04-2019, 07:50   #1881
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Fair enough, but I would suggest you’re in some nice white middle class bubble somewhere?

And that’s ok, so am I.

I’m just not dismissive of the reality’s of the issues out there.
Leeds isn’t a "white middle class bubble" - we have a large African and Afro-Caribbean community (our Carnival is world-famous, just after Notting Hill), and approx. 8% of our population are Asian.

I’m not dismissive, but I don’t over-hype it either; I just remember the same things being said about the Irish (being of Irish descent, they were said about/to me) - when you’ve experienced it, you look at it differently.
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And we can thank people like you for making it all possible,if only you had accepted the result of the referendum eh
What result was that? The one gained by illegal methods and misinformation. The one where 37% of the electorate decides the future of the entire country for a generation? That one?

Be careful where your anger takes you. You are getting into bed with some unsavory, anti-democratic individuals:

Nigel Farage & Steve Bannon: What Exactly Is The Connection?

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So will you be voting for the anti-semitic Marxist lot, then?
No, I won't. Will you be voting for the racist, xenophobic lot then?

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I wish you were right, Mick but The Telegraph have published a recording of her saying it, listen to it here.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-online-says/

I predict that the Brexit Party will make her step down; who would vote for a party fielding a candidate who does not want to ban people from watching child porn?
She has other views, many an anathema to most in the political centre. Just google her name and enjoy. But of course, she is not the only problem with this new populist party.

The Brexit Party: "Democracy is under threat, join us to start the fightback" they say. Here's the rub, that is all they say. Yes, a party standing for an election with no manifesto. What do they stand for, what are their policies on the NHS, the climate, the Police, etc.

Nothing.

Oh, apart from the NHS where Farage wants to privatise it and move to a insurance-based system of healthcare.
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Old 30-04-2019, 09:25   #1883
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She has other views, many an anathema to most in the political centre. Just google her name and enjoy. But of course, she is not the only problem with this new populist party.

The Brexit Party: "Democracy is under threat, join us to start the fightback" they say. Here's the rub, that is all they say. Yes, a party standing for an election with no manifesto. What do they stand for, what are their policies on the NHS, the climate, the Police, etc.

Nothing.

Oh, apart from the NHS where Farage wants to privatise it and move to a insurance-based system of healthcare.
I see the popularity of the new Brexit Party has got you rattled, then!

Incidentally, the NHS is nothing to do with the EU elections. Given that MEPs have little say on matters of great importance, it hardly matters what their views on these subjects are. As far as I, and many, many people in this country are concerned, if we can't get out of this monstrocity of an authority, we will have no choice but to undermine it from within.

The EU know that, which is why they will not be just waiting to see what happens. They will soften on the backstop, one way or the other, or find a way around it. If, against all common sense I'm wrong on that, I shall be looking on with great amusement. They will be begging us to leave after putting up with Faragist tactics for any length of time.
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Old 30-04-2019, 09:52   #1884
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I see the popularity of the new Brexit Party has got you rattled, then!

Incidentally, the NHS is nothing to do with the EU elections. Given that MEPs have little say on matters of great importance, it hardly matters what their views on these subjects are. As far as I, and many, many people in this country are concerned, if we can't get out of this monstrocity of an authority, we will have no choice but to undermine it from within.

The EU know that, which is why they will not be just waiting to see what happens. They will soften on the backstop, one way or the other, or find a way around it. If, against all common sense I'm wrong on that, I shall be looking on with great amusement. They will be begging us to leave after putting up with Faragist tactics for any length of time.
Probably not - he (and his ilk) are not disruptive at the E.U. Parliament, just noisy and showboating; he is wind and fury, signifying nothing - all his speeches are for his loyal audience and media spots, they don’t actually disrupt anything (I can find no evidence that he has adversely affected any E.U. Parliamentary votes or committee meetings).

He is a gadfly, not a hornet to the E.U. Parliament.
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Re: Brexit

Also Farage doesn't turn up that much. As you said he pretty much turns up to do one of his speeches, gets it cut for social media, and then disappears again so he can have his supporters to do the 'oh hahaha! They must really hate him! LOL" responses.
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What result was that? The one gained by illegal methods and misinformation. The one where 37% of the electorate decides the future of the entire country for a generation? That one?

Be careful where your anger takes you. You are getting into bed with some unsavory, anti-democratic individuals:

Nigel Farage & Steve Bannon: What Exactly Is The Connection?

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No, I won't. Will you be voting for the racist, xenophobic lot then?

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She has other views, many an anathema to most in the political centre. Just google her name and enjoy. But of course, she is not the only problem with this new populist party.

The Brexit Party: "Democracy is under threat, join us to start the fightback" they say. Here's the rub, that is all they say. Yes, a party standing for an election with no manifesto. What do they stand for, what are their policies on the NHS, the climate, the Police, etc.

Nothing.

Oh, apart from the NHS where Farage wants to privatise it and move to a insurance-based system of healthcare.
Keep going with the Fake News and more pathetic smearing. And I knew you’d come along with your bullshit 37% of the country figures, as usual again, and here’s me to remind you, that you cannot include people ineligible to vote, those who couldn’t be arsed to vote in any % calculation.

The UK voted to leave the EU- That is a fact you cannot ever refute regardless of your inaccuracies and assertions.

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Also Farage doesn't turn up that much. As you said he pretty much turns up to do one of his speeches, gets it cut for social media, and then disappears again so he can have his supporters to do the 'oh hahaha! They must really hate him! LOL" responses.
This just goes to show how little you know of the inner workings of the corrupted EU. They won’t listen to Farage even if he did turn up!

We shouldn’t be still in there for crying out loud. We should have been out by now!

But thanks to the Democracy abusers and Saboteurs, we’re still there some 3 years later and entering elections in to an establishment we democratically chose to leave.

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BREAKING: Change UK is polling behind The Brexit Party....

...in London

ChUK on 17%
BREX on 19%
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Keep going with the Fake News and more pathetic smearing. And I knew you’d come along with your bullshit 37% of the country figures, as usual again, and here’s me to remind you, that you cannot include people ineligible to vote, those who couldn’t be arsed to vote in any % calculation.

The UK voted to leave the EU- That is a fact you cannot ever refute regardless of your inaccuracies and assertions.

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This just goes to show how little you know of the inner workings of the corrupted EU. They won’t listen to Farage even if he did turn up!

We shouldn’t be still in there for crying out loud. We should have been out by now!

But thanks to the Democracy abusers and Saboteurs, we’re still there some 3 years later and entering elections in to an establishment we democratically chose to leave.

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BREAKING: Change UK is polling behind The Brexit Party....

...in London

ChUK on 17%
BREX on 19%
You seem very fond of polls all of a sudden ! Less than one in five supporting Brexit is nothing to get excited about
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You seem very fond of polls all of a sudden ! Less than one in five supporting Brexit is nothing to get excited about
Labour leads but The Brexit Party seems to be doing pretty well in London at 19%. The three unambiguously anti-Brexit Parties (Change UK, Liberal Democrats, Greens) total 37% whilst the Conservative vote and Labour vote are down, by half in the case of the Conservatives.

Labour 28% (2014: 37%)
Brexit Party 19%
Change UK 17%
Conservative Party 11% (2014: 22%)
Liberal Democrats 10%
Greens 10%
http://www.cityam.com/276935/europea...l-brexit-party
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4130211.html

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Labour leads but The Brexit Party seems to be doing pretty well in London at 19%. The three unambiguously anti-Brexit Parties (Change UK, Liberal Democrats, Greens) total 37% whilst the Conservative vote and Labour vote are down, by half in the case of the Conservatives.

Labour 28% (2014: 37%)
Brexit Party 19%
Change UK 17%
Conservative Party 11% (2014: 22%)
Liberal Democrats 10%
Greens 10%
http://www.cityam.com/276935/europea...l-brexit-party
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4130211.html
How long before someone seriously suggests that London should remain and the rest of the country leave the EU?

I don't know what people think this poll signifies, as London is not going to be voting on its own, is it?

Across the UK, the Brexit Party will lead by a country mile.
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How long before someone seriously suggests that London should remain and the rest of the country leave the EU?

I don't know what people think this poll signifies, as London is not going to be voting on its own, is it?

Across the UK, the Brexit Party will lead by a country mile.
The significance of regional polling in the Euro elections is that seats are handed out proportionate to the vote, on a region by region basis. London is one of those regions, and these poll results can be used to forecast how many seats each party would get.

London gets 8 seats, presently occupied by 1 UKIP, 4 Lab, 2 Con and 1 Green.

Basically I can't be bothered doing the maths but if the current polling is accurate it looks like Labour will be down to 2 seats, the Tories will be down to 1. How many everyone else gets will depend on the electoral formula that is used but Brexit and the Chukka-Tiggers will definitely get 1 each and I think it's just possible that Brexit might clinch a second. That leaves 3 ... whether Green and Lib Dem both get one, who knows, and who gets the other spare? Chukka possibly. In which case we end up with Lab 2, Brexit 2, CHUK 2, Con 1, Lib Dem 1. (or Grn 1).

That is a dramatic change from 2014, and surprisingly hits Labour harder in London than it hits the Tories.
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