12-11-2018, 16:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
The trouble is Theresa May whether through her own naked political ambition or by being poorly advised called a General Election which weakened utterly any position of strength HMG had in their negotiations with the EU.
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She called it to try to get a bigger majority, which she knew would be necessary to avoid the chaos we have now seen. Effectively, she was proved right. Shame the election didn't produce the result she wanted, the Brexit journey would have been much smoother.
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Originally Posted by Dave42
you mean her own party wont play nicely they more divided than ever
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The whole of Parliament is divided, old chap.
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12-11-2018, 16:49
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
She called it to try to get a bigger majority, which she knew would be necessary to avoid the chaos we have now seen. Effectively, she was proved right. Shame the election didn't produce the result she wanted, the Brexit journey would have been much smoother..
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She had it as the 2015 General Election produced the first Conservative majority government since 1992 so there was absolutely no need for another one but of course that does not count on naked political ambition and being poorly advised does it.
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12-11-2018, 16:50
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Who care if it is or isn't crap, that's not the point is it? It is the national flag carrier .. or was
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Oh please! A crap national flag carrier shouldn't be allowed that designation.
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12-11-2018, 17:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
It was quite simple.
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We may not have agreed on many things over the years, but on this we did.
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12-11-2018, 18:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
She had it as the 2015 General Election produced the first Conservative majority government since 1992 so there was absolutely no need for another one but of course that does not count on naked political ambition and being poorly advised does it.
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It was a small minority, which enabled the '*******s' in her party to call the shots. That's why she wanted more elected Conservative MPs.
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12-11-2018, 18:22
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It was a small minority, which enabled the '*******s' in her party to call the shots. That's why she wanted more elected Conservative MPs.
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As poor a judgement as she's shown in her appeasement EU negotiations.
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12-11-2018, 18:41
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
As poor a judgement as she's shown in her appeasement EU negotiations.
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She was widely expected to get an increased majority, as you will recall.
The best laid plans....
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12-11-2018, 18:41
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Who care if it is or isn't crap, that's not the point is it? It is the national flag carrier .. or was
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Let me think... Hmmm.... Still don't care....
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12-11-2018, 19:00
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Re: Brexit
BA is poor but the problem is they do have Heathrow as their base which means that they will have the majority of direct long haul flights from the UK and have a price advantage too. It's a shame because you do want the flag carrier of Britain to be very good.
Anyway BA have said they're not becoming a Spanish company.
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12-11-2018, 19:22
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Re: Brexit
Obviously we haven’t seen TMs deal, but it looks like it’s not Brexit. It looks like staying in the CU, which is not Brexit.
It seems that the issue is the N.I. Border. It’s an issue, but kicking the can down the road and trapping the U.K. within the EU is not the answer.
We must leave the EU and negotiate from outside the EU, it may cause a bit of pain around the N.I. Border but it will focus the minds to sort it out quickly.
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12-11-2018, 19:35
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Re: Brexit
Remember that the ‘bit of pain’ around the Irish border subverts the democratic will of the people of Northern Ireland who voted for the Good Friday Agreement with a 71.1% yes vote.
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12-11-2018, 19:44
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Obviously we haven’t seen TMs deal, but it looks like it’s not Brexit. It looks like staying in the CU, which is not Brexit.
It seems that the issue is the N.I. Border. It’s an issue, but kicking the can down the road and trapping the U.K. within the EU is not the answer.
We must leave the EU and negotiate from outside the EU, it may cause a bit of pain around the N.I. Border but it will focus the minds to sort it out quickly.
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That's the point, isn't it? We've not seen this proposed deal in its current form and Theresa May has said explicitely that no British PM would agree to an Irish border, border in the Irish Sea, etc. So it is a bit premature to criticise it before it has actually seen the light of day.
Any agreement to retain the customs union will only last for the implementation period, because as I keep saying, we cannot make our own trade deals while that remains in place.
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12-11-2018, 20:12
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
She was widely expected to get an increased majority, as you will recall.
The best laid plans....
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Till she screwed it up with her Maybot mantra. A totally useless misjudge of everything.
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Remember that the ‘bit of pain’ around the Irish border subverts the democratic will of the people of Northern Ireland who voted for the Good Friday Agreement with a 71.1% yes vote.
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The GFA does not mention the border.
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12-11-2018, 20:46
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Re: Brexit
Of course, China, the USA and Brazil need us more than we need them. They just need to know their place.
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A group of countries including the US, Brazil and China has objected to EU plans for splitting up sensitive import quotas with Britain after Brexit, in the latest sign of how big trading powers are stepping up their demands about how the UK’s departure should be handled.
Trade officials said that more than 20 countries had objected to proposals put forward by Brussels and London over how to split up the tariff-rate quotas, which define the volume of sensitive goods such as meat and cheeses that other World Trade Organization members can export to Europe.
The concerns were raised at a meeting on Monday at the WTO in Geneva, with several countries warning the plans would be unfair on their companies and farmers.
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https://www.ft.com/content/d2af748e-...5-04b8afea6ea3
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Originally Posted by Dave42
labour are divided but not in government it up to the government to come up with a plan as that's there job to goven
longing for the day labour have a decent leader again and Corbyn gone for good
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Hear hear. As denphone and I keep saying, we're endowed with some rather limited talent in all the main parties at the moment.
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12-11-2018, 20:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
That's the point, isn't it? We've not seen this proposed deal in its current form and Theresa May has said explicitely that no British PM would agree to an Irish border, border in the Irish Sea, etc. So it is a bit premature to criticise it before it has actually seen the light of day.
Any agreement to retain the customs union will only last for the implementation period, because as I keep saying, we cannot make our own trade deals while that remains in place.
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The issue is that the N.I. “ backstop” could keep the UK in the CU, and therefore effectively in EU purgatory indefinitely until a solution to the N.I. Border is found. Which without an6 time limit or urgency could be years and years.
That is the issue.
That’s why we have to come out and negotiate a solution to N.I. From outside the EU. It is the only way to deliver Brexit.
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Remember that the ‘bit of pain’ around the Irish border subverts the democratic will of the people of Northern Ireland who voted for the Good Friday Agreement with a 71.1% yes vote.
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True, that why the Ireland and U.K. governments would need to sort something out very quickly.
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