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Old 06-06-2018, 07:01   #571
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Atos and Capita warned to improve PIP disability tests or risk losing their contracts.

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Atos and Capita must improve the delivery of Personal Independence Payments (Pip) or face losing their contracts, MP Frank Field has said.
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The government was developing IT systems to move some of the work in-house.
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The government has accepted the key finding of the DWP committee report, to make video recording of assessment interviews a standard part of the process.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44367420
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Presently, claimants can request to record the assessment. But this has to be done in advance, and some assessors shy away from being recorded. The claimant has to record audio only, on tape, and supply the assessor with a copy at the end of the interview. So you need 2 recorders.

If the DWP changes to routinely video recording the assessment, the claimant should get a copy, but I bet they find a way to prevent that.

I now know of 3 cases where persons claiming ESA (new claim or renewal) have been denied it, and within weeks has been called forward to be reassessed for DLA or PIP and been refused that too.

But all 3 went to tribunals after lengthy waits and have won both ESA and PIP claims for 5 years.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

How is recorded evidence meant to be presented to Tribunals? Are they going to have to view/hear the whole thing?
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Is there any comeback on these PIP assessors who's decisions keep getting over turned. Or do they just get paid all the same ? Think the Govt. are hoping for intertia and hoping folks don't appeal.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Is there any comeback on these PIP assessors who's decisions keep getting over turned. Or do they just get paid all the same ? Think the Govt. are hoping for intertia and hoping folks don't appeal.
I doubt very much if the assessors are penalised if a decision is overturned on appeal.

IMHO due to the number and cost of appeals then if overturned the company which did the assessment should be charged for the cost as there was an obvious error in the assessment. The problem here though is that a claimant isn't required to explain what their disability is but how it affects them which many claimants have a problem with, especially those who fill the form in themselves. They just don't realise that the priority has changed.
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I doubt very much if the assessors are penalised if a decision is overturned on appeal.

IMHO due to the number and cost of appeals then if overturned the company which did the assessment should be charged for the cost as there was an obvious error in the assessment. The problem here though is that a claimant isn't required to explain what their disability is but how it affects them which many claimants have a problem with, especially those who fill the form in themselves. They just don't realise that the priority has changed.
Changed? It's always been about how things affect the claimant. If only it was as easy as that.

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61008 DLA is a benefit that depends on a person’s need for care and help with mobility arising from a disability.
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61021 General information on the likely care and mobility needs arising from the more commonly occurring medical conditions can be found in the Customer Case Management Adult and Children’s Medical Guidance.
Usually there has to be an identified condition to back up any claims.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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How is recorded evidence meant to be presented to Tribunals? Are they going to have to view/hear the whole thing?
Tribunals are presented with all written evidence at the moment, but will accept the claimants LEGAL audio copy of the assessment if the claimant believes their case was improperly assessed.

The tribunal staff go through the evidence, then either make a decision on that, or call in the claimant for a face-to-face interview.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Is there any comeback on these PIP assessors who's decisions keep getting over turned. Or do they just get paid all the same ? Think the Govt. are hoping for intertia and hoping folks don't appeal.
I think you're right, it's savings by elimination

a % will not even claim for PiP
a % won't get it
a % won't appeal it
a % won't go to tribunal

Each step of the way the govt (any govt) will save something, even on the % that get overturned on appeal or tribunal they are still saving.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Well g9t my PIP letter today.

Scoring 6pts so it's a no.

Will be calling to appeal and also ask for the copy of the assessment.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Good luck Stephen i hope you get a positive result I've had my ESA assessment but am still waiting on the PIP one should be sometime this year.
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