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Old 28-06-2023, 12:38   #736
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Still 18 months to go until the General Election. Don’t give yourself a heart attack with all that excitement.
Hope springs eternal l suppose...
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Old 28-06-2023, 12:55   #737
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Hard to see how the Tories could turn it around but it's possible. This isn't 1997 Labour and the polling on Starmer is basically 'meh, he'll do' rather than anyone being enthusiastic.

But the problem is the Tories have little to point at for the last 14 years. When the election comes there will be high NHS waiting lists still, probably still people in economic difficulty even if inflation and interest rates might be on their way down, police don't turn up to every break-in still, Brexit is now polling as unsuccessful even in Leave areas and Sunak is less popular than Starmer anyway.

What will change?
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Old 28-06-2023, 13:13   #738
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Hard to see how the Tories could turn it around but it's possible. This isn't 1997 Labour and the polling on Starmer is basically 'meh, he'll do' rather than anyone being enthusiastic.

But the problem is the Tories have little to point at for the last 14 years. When the election comes there will be high NHS waiting lists still, probably still people in economic difficulty even if inflation and interest rates might be on their way down, police don't turn up to every break-in still, Brexit is now polling as unsuccessful even in Leave areas and Sunak is less popular than Starmer anyway.

What will change?
Add on the powwrful narrative of its time for a change when governments have been in power for a long time and that nothing is actually working anymore and is unlikely that will change anytime soon then one would think HMG is hoping for a miracle.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...water-collapse

More corporate socialism coming at the expense of the taxpayer.
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Old 28-06-2023, 13:44   #740
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More corporate socialism coming at the expense of the taxpayer.
The great water privatisation rip off, l think we have been here before sadly.
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The great water privatisation rip off, l think we have been here before sadly.
No need to restrict that to water. Energy competition hasn’t meaningfully reduced prices with the big providers acting as a cartel. Telecoms isn’t much better - much of the underlying competition is stimulated, and unattractive rollout requires state subsidy in any case.

Don’t even start me on the train operating companies
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Hard to see how the Tories could turn it around but it's possible. This isn't 1997 Labour and the polling on Starmer is basically 'meh, he'll do' rather than anyone being enthusiastic.

But the problem is the Tories have little to point at for the last 14 years. When the election comes there will be high NHS waiting lists still, probably still people in economic difficulty even if inflation and interest rates might be on their way down, police don't turn up to every break-in still, Brexit is now polling as unsuccessful even in Leave areas and Sunak is less popular than Starmer anyway.

What will change?
That'll be the NHS that had record approval rating when they inherited it, safe in their hands ffs, who in their right mind will ever believe them again?

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More corporate socialism coming at the expense of the taxpayer.
Temporary nationalisation, what does that mean, the taxpayer picks up the bill and then it gets sold of on the cheap again to friends and donors, feck that, let the shareholders who have made of like bandits for 30 years pick up the pieces
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Old 28-06-2023, 14:01   #743
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Hard to see how the Tories could turn it around but it's possible. This isn't 1997 Labour and the polling on Starmer is basically 'meh, he'll do' rather than anyone being enthusiastic.

But the problem is the Tories have little to point at for the last 14 years. When the election comes there will be high NHS waiting lists still, probably still people in economic difficulty even if inflation and interest rates might be on their way down, police don't turn up to every break-in still, Brexit is now polling as unsuccessful even in Leave areas and Sunak is less popular than Starmer anyway.

What will change?
Yes, the last election was won on ABC - Anyone But Corbyn. Next year it's looking to be Anyone But Conservatives.

The Conservative Party has had a gruelling 14 years in office marked by in-fighting over Europe and a decline in the country's prosperity, public services and international standing.

Apart from some major sporting success and economic miracle, I think the Conservative's election fate is sealed.
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Old 28-06-2023, 17:06   #744
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The great water privatisation rip off, l think we have been here before sadly.
No argument here. A Torygraph link would have been better.

Canadians and Kuwaitis own Thames waters. A corrupt company, filling our rivers and sea with sewage....12billion in the red.

Did they pay dividends the last 5 years? or not. I got conflicting reports.
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No need to restrict that to water. Energy competition hasn’t meaningfully reduced prices with the big providers acting as a cartel. Telecoms isn’t much better - much of the underlying competition is stimulated, and unattractive rollout requires state subsidy in any case.

Don’t even start me on the train operating companies
The thing that never fails to amaze me is that so many people are content that they are being ripped off. If you had a payslip deduction labelled "Payment to Water/Train/Energy Company Shareholders", you'd be livid yet for years that is what has been has been (indirectly) happening.
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Unfortunately in Wales we have drakeford and his cronies, controlling , what every one eats , drinks and slowing down traffic so much so I was overtaken by two push bikes today.
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The thing that never fails to amaze me is that so many people are content that they are being ripped off. If you had a payslip deduction labelled "Payment to Water/Train/Energy Company Shareholders", you'd be livid yet for years that is what has been has been (indirectly) happening.
Decades of propaganda has gone into the fallacy of the “efficiency” of the private sector, and the pretence that four or five companies or providers constitutes a genuinely free market as opposed to a cartel.

Sure there were probably some immediate efficiencies. However fundamentally cutting costs means cutting wages or cutting corners. Ploughing excrement into the sea a classic example of the latter.

The energy companies are enjoying their windfalls. Now it’s the banks having their turn. Essentially the wealth of the nation - declining - is being extracted. Trickle up economics.

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Yes, the last election was won on ABC - Anyone But Corbyn. Next year it's looking to be Anyone But Conservatives.

The Conservative Party has had a gruelling 14 years in office marked by in-fighting over Europe and a decline in the country's prosperity, public services and international standing.

Apart from some major sporting success and economic miracle, I think the Conservative's election fate is sealed.
Pretty much, its not that peope want really labour, its more a case of they want someone other than the conservatives, and they dont want the liberals, or any of the mior crackpot parties, so its labour by default.
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The “good” news is by the time Sir Keir has pandered to Murdoch and u-turned on about every commitment he’s ever made he will basically be Tory.
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Decades of propaganda has gone into the fallacy of the “efficiency” of the private sector, and the pretence that four or five companies or providers constitutes a genuinely free market as opposed to a cartel.

Sure there were probably some immediate efficiencies. However fundamentally cutting costs means cutting wages or cutting corners. Ploughing excrement into the sea a classic example of the latter.

The energy companies are enjoying their windfalls. Now it’s the banks having their turn. Essentially the wealth of the nation - declining - is being extracted. Trickle up economics.
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The “good” news is by the time Sir Keir has pandered to Murdoch and u-turned on about every commitment he’s ever made he will basically be Tory.
But his front bench will be largely socialist tax mongers.
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