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Old 19-02-2021, 12:08   #466
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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NatWest posts pre-tax loss of £351m and announces exit from Ireland
The bank will wind down its under-performing Irish arm Ulster Bank, after concluding it would not achieve sustainable returns.
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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What about your car, phone, laptop, TV, wine and clothes?

Well my A Ford Kuga I bought from new and is 18 months old


Phone was bought at release (Note 10+ 5G)


Laptop no need to replace ATM



TV no need to replace ATM


Wine Nope, spirit drinkers here, yes I do have 22 different brands my favourite is Chase Vodka which is made from British potatoes. we do drink British beer and Cider.


Yes some items are not British but as I have said I buy British if I can.
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Old 21-02-2021, 14:43   #468
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Re: Britain outside the EU

Some good insight from fisherman Tom Haward on the shellfish situation.
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The phrase, ‘EU shellfish ban,’ keeps being used by news outlets and it’s important to understand how this language is misleading and how Government is deliberately using misinformation to hide from its own failures.

As a producer of live animals (oysters) who sells them on for human consumption, there are, quite rightly, rigorous standards we must meet to ensure what we sell is safe for people to eat. One of the most important factors in this process is the issue of water quality. If water quality is really poor (high amounts of sewage or rubbish dumped), animals like oysters will absorb the dangerous bacteria and make them unsafe to harvest.

There are 3 grades of water quality for shellfish production: Grades, A, B & C. These grades were determined through when we were part of the EU. Simply, grade A waters are excellent and you don’t have to purify shellfish from these waters (some of our waters where we grow out oysters are A). Grade B water means shellfish has to be purified before it can be sold for human consumption; most waters in the UK are B. The purpose of the grades is to ensure we use due diligence in our treatment of shellfish. It’s not a perfect system but it works.

As part of a large multi-country community we were effectively able to sell grade B shellfish unpurified to our neighbours where they would perform the process of purification before selling it on. Ideal if you harvested shellfish but didn’t have a purification centre.

At least 2 years ago I noticed (along with others in industry) that if we were no longer part of the EU then as a 3rd country our food standards would no longer align, legally, and we wouldn’t be able to export grade B, unpurified shellfish. This was raised with government figures as a major concern. It was obviously ignored. We (the UK) helped establish these EU regulations to have a consistent approach for easy, free flowing trade of shellfish. I said a no deal or equivalent would result n this catastrophe if it wasn’t looked at.

George Eustice is lying when he says it was a surprise and when it is being peddled as an ‘overnight ban’. When he was fisheries minister he was aware of these worries. If I saw this coming then Johnson, et al should have. The UK helped write the regulations government are now claiming they have been side swiped by. We are in this mess because those elected to serve us were too lazy and arrogant to read the small print because they wanted adulation without the work.
https://twitter.com/HawardTom

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BORIS JOHNSON refused to rule out a trade war with Brussels if it didn't back down on its live shellfish ban - but it appears Britain voted for the law behind these restrictions in 2008.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...is-johnson-spt

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Old 21-02-2021, 15:32   #469
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Some good insight from fisherman Tom Haward on the shellfish situation.

https://twitter.com/HawardTom

Even the Express is acknowledging the reality.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...is-johnson-spt
So let me get this right.

Over 2 years ago the shellfish producers knew they wouldn't be able to export to the EU without purification plants and they sat back, did nothing.
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Old 21-02-2021, 16:08   #470
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So let me get this right.

Over 2 years ago the shellfish producers knew they wouldn't be able to export to the EU without purification plants and they sat back, did nothing.
Per Tom Haward's post - they ceryainly didn't do nothing!
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So let me get this right.

Over 2 years ago the shellfish producers knew they wouldn't be able to export to the EU without purification plants and they sat back, did nothing.
No - as Tom Haward says in another tweet

https://twitter.com/HawardTom/status...783184898?s=20
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Hi James, yes that’s right. Any unpurified bivalve molluscs (oysters, mussels, clams etc) from Grade B areas have to be depurated for 42 hours before they can be sold to eat in the UK. We have tanks which can do up to 15000 oysters at a time.
However

https://twitter.com/mafevema/status/...232412673?s=20

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So, the oysters from B waters sold for consumption whether in the UK or EU are purified. Is it also true that they should be purified as close as possible to consumption because after purification they deteriorate more quickly?

Yes purified as close as possible to point of sale for that reason
His anger is at the Minister saying this is a surprise, when it was known about two years ago.
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Re: Britain outside the EU

It's a pity that politicians (except, of course, John Redwood), are consummate liars.

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Re: Britain outside the EU

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It's a pity that politicians (except, of course, John Redwood), are consummate liars.

Did he really believe that his statement "the UK holds most of the cards" was true?

“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.” John Redwood, Conservative MP, July 2016.
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It's a pity that politicians (except, of course, John Redwood), are consummate liars.

Yes, about that...

John Redwood from his "Diary"

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Eskenzi PR and Marketing put out a press release yesterday reporting a sampled survey of 1000 people. They said that one third of those asked had stopped buying EU goods. Reasons given included extra costs and delays in getting the goods into the UK and an unwillingness to buy EU goods given the attitude of the EU to trade with us in recent months.
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LONDON, UK, February 4th 2021 – Eskenzi PR & Marketing, a leading voice in the cybersecurity public relations industry has today announced the results of a survey, which found that over a third (34%) of UK consumers have stopped purchasing goods and services from the European Union since the UK officially left the world’s largest trading block at midnight on the 31st December 2020.

Since this historic change in the relationship between Europe and the UK, stories have circulated – anecdotally and in the media – about the changing relationship between EU retailers and British consumers, with Mastercard reportedly hiking fees on UK consumers purchasing goods from the EU, and the Guardian reporting in January about £100 custom bills for UK consumers. However, these survey results indicate that the mass exodus of UK consumers from Europe appears to be moving at a slower rate than many experts predicted.

“Following all the bad publicity around buying products from the EU post-Brexit, it is clearly having an impact on consumer buying habits”, said Yvonne Eskenzi, co-founder, and Director at Eskenzi PR. “It is evident to see that UK consumers are being put off buying goods from the EU due to the various complications Brexit has created. We can only hope that this is a temporary measure: Post-Brexit Britain is still in its embryonic stage, and the true nature of our new relationship will have to be measured across the course of the following months – and indeed, years.”

The survey also revealed the following trends:

Costs and delays were the biggest concern for younger consumers, with 24% of 16–24-year-olds suggesting an increase in cost had put them off, and 26% suggesting increased delays were behind the decision to stop shopping with Europe.

Men appeared to take a more ‘combative’ stance to EU relations than women, with nearly double the men indicating they would not buy EU goods for ‘ideological reasons’ as opposed to their female counterparts.
Nothing in the Press Release about "an unwillingness to buy EU goods given the attitude of the EU to trade with us in recent months".

Sounds like Redwood is not an exception...
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Re: Britain outside the EU

Another Brexit bonus for the EU.
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Sussex medicines firm takes production line abroad in white van to beat Brexit ban

UK assembly line at standstill as pharmaceutical company sets up in Amsterdam and plans EU expansion

A Sussex pharmaceutical company has told how it had to bundle a production line into a white van and take it to Amsterdam to beat a Brexit medicines ban.

The impromptu four-wheeled mission to the Netherlands has secured the supply of the asthma drug Ventolin for France, where the company, Mediwin, had a huge order book.

Lisa Cooke, its finance director, said the company had been preparing for Brexit since the referendum but had not counted on an overnight block on wholesale distribution from the UK into EU member states.

“It was a bit of a white-knuckle ride a couple of weeks ago. We had stockpiled supplies, particularly of Ventolin because it was being sold in huge quantities in France and we were getting anxious that we would run out,” she said. “So our production manager hired a van and took five machines – which was essentially one production line – to the Netherlands. He got the line up and running. We’ve rented an apartment and got six people working over there now. And so far we’ve hired 15 people in the Netherlands and they want another 10 or 11.”

Under the EU single market freedoms known as “parallel distribution”, Mediwin was allowed to buy drugs for a range of conditions, including type 2 diabetes, glaucoma and atrial fibrillation, from one member state and repackage them for another member state at lower prices.

In a blow to the British company, production lines in Littlehampton are now at near standstill while assembly ramps up in the Netherlands. Further expansion will take place in Spain and other EU countries.
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And the EU have the gall to refuse UK produced food.
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Almost 400 people have fallen ill with Salmonella since the start of the year in the United Kingdom after eating frozen chicken products.
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There have been 327 people sick in England, 32 in Scotland, 26 in Wales and five in Northern Ireland.
For cases where information is available, 36 percent needed hospital treatment and four people have died. However, it is not known whether Salmonella infection was a contributory factor in the deaths, and one fatality was attributed to COVID-19.
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Raw material for the products came from Poland and they were distributed to Brunei, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Falkland Islands, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Guernsey, Ireland, Israel, Jersey, Malta, Norway, Saint Helena, Saudi Arabia Spain and Thailand.
And that's just in the UK.
Perhaps if the EU allowed chlorinated washing.
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Good one, Nomad. You will have sent Andrew off on a hunt for more half empty news to post here.
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Good one, Nomad. You will have sent Andrew off on a hunt for more half empty news to post here.
I hope the poor guy got some sleep in the end after spending half the night searching for an irrelevant article.

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Fingers crossed this works out the way that Nissan did.
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Ministers enter intensive meetings in bid to save 800 jobs at Vauxhall's Ellesmere Port plant in Cheshire

Ministers have entered intensive meetings in a bid to save 800 jobs at Vauxhall's Ellesmere Port plant in Cheshire.
Senior executives at Stellantis, Vauxhall's parent company, will decide the future of the plant tomorrow, marking a critical moment for Britain's post-Brexit manufacturing.
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Might this Vauxhall problem have happened anyway, COVID and all that?

I’m assuming, rightly, of course, that Andrew is still in I told you so mode.



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The Ellesmere Port plant has been “at risk” every single time it’s needed re-tooled for a new Astra, going back decades. The heart of GM’s strategy in Europe was always the Opel brand, and Ellesmere Port and Luton were the symbolic last remnants of Vauxhall. Now, the new parent company has changed and Covid has slaughtered the economy. Plus, even if we were still in the EU, there are generous ‘structural funds’ (a.k.a. ‘Bribes’) available to suck these sorts of manufacturing jobs eastwards. If they do announce it’s shutting I have no doubt the usual suspects will greet the news with barely concealed glee and insist it proves them right about Brexit. The Portuguese former Renault COO who now runs Stellantis may even use it as a convenient excuse. The facts will of course speak otherwise.

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