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Old 12-02-2021, 12:53   #10276
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And this is the problem with the way subscription TV is going! Customers complain that their subscription price is too high or expect introductory new customer deals to last forever but then complain when there's no investment made into the product!

The same with sports rights, the provider loses sports rights because they need to cut costs or cannot bid as high due to less subscription income. So someone else picks up the rights and charges a separate subscription. Net, the customer ends up paying more than they did previously to the two companies combined!

The loser is the casual viewer that may choose to dip in and out every now and then but aren't prepared to pay a second subscription.

Sometimes a monopoly isn't a bad thing!
Agreed, it was a lot better when Sky had all the rights - one sub to pay take it or leave it.

So called competition has just increased the number of subs required to watch all my favourite sports (and the cost)

I don't agree that the casual viewer is the loser - the main losers are those like me who want to watch all/most sporting events
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Old 12-02-2021, 13:05   #10277
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Agreed, it was a lot better when Sky had all the rights - one sub to pay take it or leave it.

So called competition has just increased the number of subs required to watch all my favourite sports (and the cost)

I don't agree that the casual viewer is the loser - the main losers are those like me who want to watch all/most sporting events
Yes I agree,much better for us the viewer to have just the one sub to pay for all our sport.
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Old 12-02-2021, 17:46   #10278
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If Amazon can’t absorb the meagre cost of La Liga into millions of Prime subscriptions they have it’s safe to say this is the beginning of the “sports add on”.
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Old 12-02-2021, 18:41   #10279
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If Amazon can’t absorb the meagre cost of La Liga into millions of Prime subscriptions they have it’s safe to say this is the beginning of the “sports add on”.
So much for someone saying it would get cheaper rather then dearer.
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So much for someone saying it would get cheaper rather then dearer.
You didn't believe him did you
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Old 15-02-2021, 14:34   #10281
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A possible pointer to future EPL rights bidding.

apparently, DAZN are looking to muscle in on the Serie A rights in Italy (currently held by Sky Italia) a the bidding is expected to conclude this week.

DAZN holds the exclusive EPL rights in Canada, Spain and Japan.

2 things interest me, firstly are the Italian rights exclusive in Italy? If so how is that allowed when EU made the EPL become non-exclusives?

Secondly, the article states DAZN is a 'loss-making platform' - does anyone know who owns DAZN?
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Old 15-02-2021, 14:59   #10282
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A possible pointer to future EPL rights bidding.

apparently, DAZN are looking to muscle in on the Serie A rights in Italy (currently held by Sky Italia) a the bidding is expected to conclude this week.

DAZN holds the exclusive EPL rights in Canada, Spain and Japan.

2 things interest me, firstly are the Italian rights exclusive in Italy? If so how is that allowed when EU made the EPL become non-exclusives?

Secondly, the article states DAZN is a 'loss-making platform' - does anyone know who owns DAZN?
Some Russian billionaire and some venture capitalists have been throwing into the money pit that is DAZN to date.

Currently Serie A rights are split between Sky (7) and DAZN (3) matches per week.

In the past, individual home games were sold by clubs (generally to a Silvio Berlusconi owned DTT outfit if I recalled - he also owned AC Milan in addition to his comedy political career) while all games were also carried by a satellite broadcaster. So you had a genuine choice whether to subscribe for them all for buy individual games for most clubs.

The EU remedy ceased to apply from 2013 I think, it just became financially beneficial for the EPL to split the rights.
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Old 15-02-2021, 16:54   #10283
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There’s speculation that DAZN may make a bid for rights to football premiership rights this week.

https://www.tvbeurope.com/business/i...ier-league-bid

DAZN, the so-called Netflix of sports, is said to be considering throwing its hat into the ring for the next round of Premier League broadcast rights.

The rights for the 2022-2025 seasons are expected to be allocated before May.

According to the Telegraph, the sports streamer is preparing to take on the likes of Sky Sports, BT Sport and Amazon Prime Video to secure rights to some matches.

It’s thought the next round of rights in likely to cost significantly less due to a channel sharing deal between Sky and BT. Because of that, the value of the rights is expected to drop by up to £920 million.

Bidding is expected to end this week.

DAZN already owns exclusive Premier League rights in Spain, Canada and Japan, but has yet to break into the UK football market.
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Old 15-02-2021, 16:55   #10284
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"The so called Netflix of sports."

By who? Where? They've got no significant market penetration anywhere in the world.
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Old 15-02-2021, 16:59   #10285
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"The so called Netflix of sports."

By who? Where? They've got no significant market penetration anywhere in the world.
I think you’ve taken your eye off the ball, so to speak, jfman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAZN
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I think you’ve taken your eye off the ball, so to speak, jfman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAZN
You do know market penetration is a clearly defined concept?

Not a single reference to subscriber numbers (actual or estimated) in that Wikipedia page.
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There’s speculation that DAZN may make a bid for rights to football premiership rights this week.

https://www.tvbeurope.com/business/i...ier-league-bid

DAZN, the so-called Netflix of sports, is said to be considering throwing its hat into the ring for the next round of Premier League broadcast rights.

The rights for the 2022-2025 seasons are expected to be allocated before May.

According to the Telegraph, the sports streamer is preparing to take on the likes of Sky Sports, BT Sport and Amazon Prime Video to secure rights to some matches.

It’s thought the next round of rights in likely to cost significantly less due to a channel sharing deal between Sky and BT. Because of that, the value of the rights is expected to drop by up to £920 million.

Bidding is expected to end this week.

DAZN already owns exclusive Premier League rights in Spain, Canada and Japan, but has yet to break into the UK football market.
The Telegraph is a good source for these types of stories, but I'm pretty sceptical given that economics favour a broadcaster able to cross-subsidise their bid with another service to sell, like broadband or subscription TV.

Plus the situation in France with a new entrant failing to deliver on payments may throw up a few red flags with the seasoned negotiating team at the Premier League.

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Agreed, £6.99 pm to watch Spanish football - far too much, should be included in Prime sub as EPL games are.

I expect Prime will charge extra for EPL games if they get a reasonable take up on this.

Thin end of the wedge.
I think it's going to continue to be included as part of the Premier Sports bundle, this is just another way of getting it.

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"The so called Netflix of sports."

By who? Where? They've got no significant market penetration anywhere in the world.
DAZN 2019 Revenue $878 million
Netflix 2019 Revenue $20,100 million

DAZN in 2019 had 4.4% of the revenue of Netflix...
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Maybe they mean they're both in mountains of debt.
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"The so called Netflix of sports."

By who? Where? They've got no significant market penetration anywhere in the world.
They've called themselves it.
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