Corbyn's kerfuffle

It's very straightforward actually never ever side or support in anyway vladimir putin he hankers for the bad old days of the soviet union and is trying to turn desire into reality and the west taking their eye off the russia ball has allowed him to be far more successful then he should have been. No matter how bad trump may personally be he will be operating within a system with multiple levels of checks and balances which will keep any real looniness under control till they can get him out of office.

That's another big difference a bad US president can be removed no one is able to remove putin despite growing concern amongst both the political and military establishment in Russia he is going nowhere. Russia is very good at playing the friend till they get what they want and then you get cut loose but they are currently making friends in asia. If NATO does collapse war will not be far behind thats why all member states and their politicians need to start getting behind it and stop the rubbish some are engaging in right now.

We have to take some blame and responsibility for the current situation we made agreements and have broken them handing putin the opportunity to appear more justifiable then he otherwise would.

Originally Posted by Mr K

If it came down to siding with Trump or Putin it wouldn't be straightforward choice... Suspect Trump wouldn't be interested in Nato/protecting other countries. The world's gone mad which is worrying.

You wouldn't need to choose a side. Trump is clearly far more positive about Putin than any standard Presidential candidate.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I suppose the good point out of all this. I heard that IF Corbyn loses the GE, he will then quit.
Well height as well quit now.

I would bet that when they all come back from there extra long Holiday - My, will call an election, she has a great chance of another five years.

The Labour Party, is in total disarray, and they are fighting each other. May will wipe all the Labour sides totally.

It will be a landslide for the Tories.

And tonight we have the London Mayor, saying that Corbyn MUST step down, and Mr Khan had a landslide against the Tories in the Mayor Elections.

[rhyds]

I doubt the Tories will call an election.

1: The fixed term parliaments act would need to be modified or repealed. That will take time

2: Why bother? With Labour in such a mess their slender majority of seats becomes much more secure.

[Osem]

Having decided to nominate Corbyn for the leadership in the first place, Sadiq Khan has decided he's not quite up to the job. It's all very well changing his mind but is he really expecting anyone to believe he didn't know what Corbyn was about when he put his name forward? It's not as though Corbyn hasn't been playing the same tune for about 40 years is it...

London mayor Sadiq Khan has urged Labour voters to ditch Jeremy Corbyn as leader and vote for Owen Smith in the party's leadership contest.
Writing in the Observer, Mr Khan said Mr Corbyn had "totally failed" to get his messages across in the UK's EU referendum in June.
"Why would things be different in a general election?," Mr Khan said.
Explaining his support for Mr Smith, he said the pair had agreed on the "big issues", such as opposing the Iraq War.
Labour 'suffering badly'
Mr Khan said: "Jeremy has already proved that he is unable to organise an effective team and has failed to win the trust and respect of the British people.
"Jeremy's personal ratings are the worst of any opposition leader on record and the Labour party is suffering badly as a result.
"He has lost the confidence of more than 80% of Labour's MPs in Parliament - and I am afraid we simply cannot afford to go on like this."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37146729

[heero_yuy]

The Sunday Times reports the “party within a party” framework will be based on the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs, which counts Mr Corbyn as a member.

According to the paper, the rebels will look to sign up more than 100 MPs to join the Co-operative party, Labour’s sister party, and sit on the green benches as “double hatted” MPs.

The group will appoint their own whips in parliament to co-ordinate rebellions where they disagree with Mr Corbyn’s policy and look to change the rules to appoint an elected Shadow Cabinet, as previously called for by the party’s deputy leader Tom Watson.

It will draw up policies on areas including Brexit and national security, the Sunday Times reports.

The rebels apparently prefer the creation of a new group on Labour benches to forming a breakaway party

Linky

Looks like dissent is rife in the ranks.

Originally Posted by Osem

Having decided to nominate Corbyn for the leadership in the first place, Sadiq Khan has decided he's not quite up to the job. It's all very well changing his mind but is he really expecting anyone to believe he didn't know what Corbyn was about when he put his name forward? It's not as though Corbyn hasn't been playing the same tune for about 40 years is it...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37146729

They put his name forward to appease the hard-core leftists. A naive move but not a endorsement of Corbyn for leader.

[rhyds]

Labour like to stick a token hard leftist on their leadership elections to "broaden the debate". Unfortunately nobody realised that Ed Milliband's changes to the leadership election rules meant said token lefty could actually win.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by rhyds

Labour like to stick a token hard leftist on their leadership elections to "broaden the debate". Unfortunately nobody realised that Ed Milliband's changes to the leadership election rules meant said token lefty could actually win.

Just goes to show how utterly inept they are. Thank the Lords they're no longer running the country. Time for a new party methinks, one which is at least a credible opposition.

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Originally Posted by Damien

They put his name forward to appease the hard-core leftists. A naive move but not a endorsement of Corbyn for leader.

That's what I was alluding to. Khan knew full well what Corbyn's always been about. It was a typically cynical stunt which misfired badly and as such doesn't reflect well on Khan.

The more i see of khan the less i like and thankfully i think he will be a one term mayor.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

The more i see of khan the less i like and thankfully i think he will be a one term mayor.

Me too. He has all the likeability and sincerity of Keith Vaz.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I totally disagree. Sadiq Khan will serve a second term. I voted for him. I voted as he hs stated that he will put more Police Officers and PCSO's on the street. And l work for them.

We need that extra coverage. But the major problem is that this Country, will NEVER have a Labour Party in Government, while Corbyn is in charge.

He is the only Leader, that has had a Leadship challenge, and No Confidence vote in such a short time when in office.

He does NOT have the bottle to take on the Tories. I hate to say this, but we will have a Tory Government for many years to come

Khan might well serve a 2nd term but we'll see, 4 years is a long time, he has decent approval ratings though and won by a large margin and being Labour is an advantage in the Mayoral race. We'll see who the Tories put up though, they really had a poor candidate last time and his campaign repulsed people.

[Osem]

Khan beat an opponent with zero charisma whose campaign couldn't have been managed any worse*. His pledges are already unravelling and if anyone seriously believes his housing target was ever sincere and a realistic goal, I suggest they seek medical help.


* some say Cameron didn't help much...

[Osem]

They're sending the ballot papers out now - wonder if they'll be able to get that right...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37150553