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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Taking party politics out of it there are idiots and malcontents in the all the mainstream political parties and anybody who does not think that there ain't certainly has their rose tinted glasses on..
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11-05-2016, 15:22
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Whilst not the biggest fan of Labour or Thornberry, I really wouldn't hold much credence with that site, as it believes
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Sounds like a spoof site made up to lure the simple minded .. no one in their right mind can seriously believe this stuff.
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11-05-2016, 16:34
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Corbyn is in complete denial over Scotland. Without the 40+ Scottish seats Labour has taken for granted for the last century there is no way they can form a working majority, and there are plenty of people in England who won't vote Labour if they believe the outcome will be a Labour government propped up by the SNP.
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But only once this century have Scottish seats played any role in the winning of an election iirc
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11-05-2016, 16:41
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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But only once this century have Scottish seats played any role in the winning of an election iirc
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4 times since 1945 (I cba looking any further back...  )
Feb 74, Oct 74, 1964, and 1950.
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11-05-2016, 16:50
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Wouldn't 2005 count too?
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11-05-2016, 17:02
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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4 times since 1945 (I cba looking any further back... )
Feb 74, Oct 74, 1964, and 1950. |
Or to look at it another way, once in '64
http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-lab...need-scotland/
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Wouldn't 2005 count too?
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No
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11-05-2016, 17:21
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Why not?
Labour won 356 seats, 56 of which were in Scotland. They would have been 24 seats short of a majority. Fair enough they would be the largest party but to govern they would need the votes of the SNP or Lib Dems.
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11-05-2016, 17:39
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Why not?
Labour won 356 seats, 56 of which were in Scotland. They would have been 24 seats short of a majority. Fair enough they would be the largest party but to govern they would need the votes of the SNP or Lib Dems.
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Looks to me labour had a majority of 66 and without Scottish mps it would've been 43. Anyway the real point is labour have never relied on the Scottish vote to win elections
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11-05-2016, 17:47
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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In Feb 74, Labour had 40 seats in Scotland, whilst the Conservatives had 21, which gives them 19 more seats than the Tories - in that General Electiom Labour had a majority of 4 over the Tories.
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11-05-2016, 17:58
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Looks to me labour had a majority of 66 and without Scottish mps it would've been 43. Anyway the real point is labour have never relied on the Scottish vote to win elections
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You're working on the assumption Scotland has left the union I think but I am working off the assumption they're part of it but the votes have gone elsewhere.
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11-05-2016, 17:59
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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In Feb 74, Labour had 40 seats in Scotland, whilst the Conservatives had 21, which gives them 19 more seats than the Tories - in that General Electiom Labour had a majority of 4 over the Tories.
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That the first election, who ever won that would've collapsed and needed the second anyway so it really isn't worth counting
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11-05-2016, 18:34
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Looks to me labour had a majority of 66 and without Scottish mps it would've been 43. Anyway the real point is labour have never relied on the Scottish vote to win elections
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No, a seat change has a double effect on the majority, because it is -1 to the government and at the same time +1 to the opposition. The net change in the difference between government and opposition seats is 2.
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11-05-2016, 18:46
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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No, a seat change has a double effect on the majority, because it is -1 to the government and at the same time +1 to the opposition. The net change in the difference between government and opposition seats is 2.
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Simples. 
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11-05-2016, 20:32
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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That the first election, who ever won that would've collapsed and needed the second anyway so it really isn't worth counting
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Pretty sure it counted at the time...
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New Labour created unfair tax system.
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The Blair and Brown governments created an unfair tax system that made Britain a haven for the super-rich, according to the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, who vowed that Labour would rewrite the rules of the economy when the party regained power.
Speaking at the party’s state of the economy conference in central London on Saturday, McDonnell said Labour must aspire to be another great reforming government.
“The last Labour government relied too heavily on tax revenues from financial services, and too heavily on off-balance sheet spending through the private finance initiative,” he said. “It didn’t do enough to clamp down on tax evasion and avoidance. It helped create an unfair tax system.”
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...on-digital-age
So even McDonnell reckons it wasn't all Thatcher's fault.
That should shut a few of the usual suspects up... 
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