Corbyn's kerfuffle

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Corbyn is a ****, as far as l a concerned. I find it a disgrace that he didn't even bother going to Sadiq Khan signing as London Mayor.

Corby wants to run the Labour Party his way, but he should have made a great effort to be there.

I believe that Khan, will be a great Labour Leader for the future, l trust him for what he will do for Londoners

The sooner Corbyn goes the better.

[Osem]

Nice to see Labour doing so very well in Scotland. They must be so pleased at how badly the Tories have done and it's not as if Scottish seats have traditionally been a dead cert. that they relied upon to prop them up. Nice one Jezza.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Scotland used to be all LABOUR voters. But, the reason why Scotland is voting for that tasty woman - Nicola Sturgeon.

Is because that's how bad Labour have done. Voters just don't believe Labour anymore.

And even l am now starting to llok the other way. Even tonight l emailed Yvette Cooper. We need someone like Sadiq Khan in the hot seat. OVER 1 MILLION VOTES

As much as I dislike (politically) Corbyn it's not really his fault they've lost Scotland. What happened last week was only a continuation of what happened last year, it's hard to place a finger on exactly what happened but the SNP has successfully managed to tap into an anti-establishment feeling and directed that at Westminster. Not that Westminster has helped itself with a sometimes shocking degree of complacency. Meanwhile the Tories have managed to position themselves well against the SNP by backing the Union whilst Labour dither trying to out-flank the SNP on the left and trying to be ambiguous on independence.

As for Corbyn I am not sure if he is an agenda or not. He is either a honest politician in the wrong place or if he has a very clear plan to stuff the hierarchy of Labour with allies before stepping down having successfully taken control of the party on behalf of the SWP lot.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

If you look at, In the North of England and Scotland. It used to be Labour strongholds.

But, now we have UKIP and Lib Dems taking over. With some Conservatives coming in.

Labour need a leader, who will stand up for the Worker

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Scotland used to be all LABOUR voters. But, the reason why Scotland is voting for that tasty woman - Nicola Sturgeon.

Is because that's how bad Labour have done. Voters just don't believe Labour anymore.

And even l am now starting to llok the other way. Even tonight l emailed Yvette Cooper. We need someone like Sadiq Khan in the hot seat. OVER 1 MILLION VOTES

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

If you look at, In the North of England and Scotland. It used to be Labour strongholds.

But, now we have UKIP and Lib Dems taking over. With some Conservatives coming in.

Labour need a leader, who will stand up for the Worker

I am saying Labour's problems in Scotland are deeper than the issue of the leadership.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Nice to see Labour doing so very well in Scotland. They must be so pleased at how badly the Tories have done and it's not as if Scottish seats have traditionally been a dead cert. that they relied upon to prop them up. Nice one Jezza.

You're right they have pretty much never relied upon the Scottish vote, even to win elections let alone prop them up...

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Scotland used to be all LABOUR voters. But, the reason why Scotland is voting for that tasty woman - Nicola Sturgeon.

Is because that's how bad Labour have done. Voters just don't believe Labour anymore.

And even l am now starting to llok the other way. Even tonight l emailed Yvette Cooper. We need someone like Sadiq Khan in the hot seat. OVER 1 MILLION VOTES

I still trust Corbyn more than I do Khan, I am a bit disappointed with him though, had high hopes when Jezza got the job.

Corbyn is in complete denial over Scotland. Without the 40+ Scottish seats Labour has taken for granted for the last century there is no way they can form a working majority, and there are plenty of people in England who won't vote Labour if they believe the outcome will be a Labour government propped up by the SNP.

Originally Posted by Chris

Corbyn is in complete denial over Scotland. Without the 40+ Scottish seats Labour has taken for granted for the last century there is no way they can form a working majority, and there are plenty of people in England who won't vote Labour if they believe the outcome will be a Labour government propped up by the SNP.

Taking into account the seats alone Labour has won successive majorities which would have remained safe even without Scotland although I agree that with the 'SNP-Labour' attack line and with upcoming boundary changes it will be harder.

I think there is a lot of complacency about Corbyn though. He is a poor politician and I don't like this ideas especially foreign policy. However he isn't far off from becoming PM, or at least one of his allies. It's not too hard to see him winning an election. Imagine a recession after years of 'austerity', an electorate told they have to cut to save the economy only for the economy to tank, a Tory party infighting over the EU and the general anti-establishment and anti-incumbent feeling we see across the Western world at the moment. All of that is a dangerous mix. Corbyn has a SWP-influenced foreign policy that blames the West for everything but foreign policy doesn't swing elections. What Corbyn does have is a perception that his is honest and not part of the establishment. That is a good place from which to benefit from a rebellion against the elites, he is also the only choice for those that'll want the Tories out no matter what.

I think the Tories are wrong by taking their focus off the opposition onto each other.

I think your glasses are especially rose-tinted this morning.

To be doing as well as Michael Foot did at this stage in his leadership, Corbyn should have gained hundreds of council seats last week. Instead, in Corbyn's own words, they merely "hung on". That's what governments are meant to do mid term, not oppositions.

We had exactly the same nonsense throughout the last parliament over Ed Miliband, with people constantly claiming the electorate would come round, would warm to him, just in time for the 2015 election.

It didn't happen then, and it won't happen next time either. The man is totally unelectable, just as Michael Foot turned out to be in 1983 (and no, it wasn't the Falklands that won it for Thatcher, it was nationalisation, unilateral disarmament and a whole lot of other unpalatable things that lost it for Labour, despite three-million-plus unemployed, industrial unrest and a floundering economy).

Originally Posted by Chris

I think your glasses are especially rose-tinted this morning.

Not sure if they're rose-tinted as I don't want Corbyn to win.

To be doing as well as Michael Foot did at this stage in his leadership, Corbyn should have gained hundreds of council seats last week. Instead, in Corbyn's own words, they merely "hung on". That's what governments are meant to do mid term, not oppositions.

My scenario is based on a shift of circumstances which isn't too outlandish. Corbyn wasn't expected to win the leadership and Donald Trump wasn't expected to win the nomination for the Republican nomination. Things we don't expect can come up and cause consequences we can't foresee.

It didn't happen then, and it won't happen next time either. The man is totally unelectable, just as Michael Foot turned out to be in 1983 (and no, it wasn't the Falklands that won it for Thatcher, it was nationalisation, unilateral disarmament and a whole lot of other unpalatable things that lost it for Labour, despite three-million-plus unemployed, industrial unrest and a floundering economy).

And I think you're largely right but that it's dangerous to assume he can't win because your thoughts on this seem to be mirrored by the Conservative party and that complacency could cost them.

[techguyone]

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It's not too hard to see him winning an election. Imagine a recession after years of 'austerity', an electorate told they have to cut to save the economy only for the economy to tank

Plus the really ****** stuff done by DWP & employment rights and with regard to disability, ATOS & the 'targets' that must be met at all cost - regardless of the claimant's condition.

If nothing else the Conservatives should be concerned, Dave's likely going to disappear into the sunset after the referendum regardless, leaving the Tories not only fighting like ferrets in a sack over Europe but also about a new Leader.

I'm not sure on Corby's views on a coalition, but that may end up a possibility perhaps.

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