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Old 09-02-2019, 23:27   #7486
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You have to admire their persistence I suppose.
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Old 10-02-2019, 00:46   #7487
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You have to admire their persistence I suppose.

Yep, and it's a cunning plan* too . . a vote on whether to accept the deal May has put forward, or remain in the EU

both options effectively mean we don't leave



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Old 10-02-2019, 07:40   #7488
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Yep, and it's a cunning plan too . . a vote on whether to accept the deal May has put forward, or remain in the EU

both options effectively mean we don't leave
Both of which betray the referendum result. Such is the extent of the Westminster treachery.
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:33   #7489
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Both of which betray the referendum result. Such is the extent of the Westminster treachery.
Well to be fair at the moment itís just proposed treachery.

I think itís highly unlikely that it will pass. There are too many MPs - especially Labour ones in Northern England - who donít fancy facing their constituents if they are perceived as having betrayed Brexit.

There just isnít a parliamentary majority for a new referendum. If they thought there might be, then theyíd have put their amendment forward last week, but they didnít.
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"treachery", "betray"?

Very emotive...

When the Tories won the 1992 Election with the largest number of votes ever in a General Election, having just signed the Maastricht Treaty, were the Eurosceptics being treacherous and betraying the voters who had just elected the Tory Government?
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I just wish we could have a decision/resolution of some sort.Don't care what. Just DECIDE.
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"treachery", "betray"?

Very emotive...

When the Tories won the 1992 Election with the largest number of votes ever in a General Election, having just signed the Maastricht Treaty, were the Eurosceptics being treacherous and betraying the voters who had just elected the Tory Government?
Because we were electing a government based on a range of policies and the EU surrender document was not fully understood by the electorate. This time it was a single issue that the people were asked to vote on and not enacting that is an act of treachery by the Westminster elite.
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Because we were electing a government based on a range of policies and the EU surrender document was not fully understood by the electorate. This time it was a single issue that the people were asked to vote on and not enacting that is an act of treachery by the Westminster elite.
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
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If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
Just because you think something will be a disaster does not make it so.
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If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
Does seem odd that people are happy to support a result, when even the source of the £8 million donation by Aaron Banks is still unknown. A referendum that legally had to be advisory rather than binding in order to get the ballot past the judiciary.
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More bungling incompetence from HMG it seems..

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Do any of the contractors have ships just idly sitting around? I doubt it. Therefore none of any contractors will have available ships.
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If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
It all depends on your viewpoint/definition of a 'disaster'.

To some people, a disaster is having to pay 30p more for a bottle of wine, needing a visa to travel abroad, or seeing a shortage of broccoli at Christmas.

To others, disaster is seeing your town decimated by the local industries/factories closing and re-opening in a country where the labour and costs are much cheaper.

I think previous Governments have a lot to answer for, and many 'leave' voters were probably of a mind where being in the EU was already a 'life changing' disaster for them and their families/community

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or wishing to start more silly arguements involving statistics, JLR, Dyson et al. Just saying that for some people a fresh start probably gives them better hope for the future than continuing in a downward spiral.

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Do any of the contractors have ships just idly sitting around? I doubt it. Therefore none of any contractors will have available ships.

*apparently* when we bomb out of the EU we won't have any trade deals, so there should be a surplus of available ships
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Does seem odd that people are happy to support a result, when even the source of the £8 million donation by Aaron Banks is still unknown. A referendum that legally had to be advisory rather than binding in order to get the ballot past the judiciary.
People were unhappy with the EU long before any hint of a referendum. That was the reason for the referendum.


In a court, only a jury can give a not guilty verdict, but in some instances the Judge can direct the jury to give a not guilty verdict. It should be seen as a similar situation where only Parliament is allowed to make the final decision, but in the event of a referendum it's hands are tied. Has there ever been the slightest hint that the result of a previously held referendum wouldn't be respected?

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It all depends on your viewpoint/definition of a 'disaster'.

To some people, a disaster is having to pay 30p more for a bottle of wine, needing a visa to travel abroad, or seeing a shortage of broccoli at Christmas.

To others, disaster is seeing your town decimated by the local industries/factories closing and re-opening in a country where the labour and costs are much cheaper.

I think previous Governments have a lot to answer for, and many 'leave' voters were probably of a mind where being in the EU was already a 'life changing' disaster for them and their families/community

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or wishing to start more silly arguements involving statistics, JLR, Dyson et al. Just saying that for some people a fresh start probably gives them better hope for the future than continuing in a downward spiral.

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*apparently* when we bomb out of the EU we won't have any trade deals, so there should be a surplus of available ships
So even contractors currently without any ships would be able to obtain one? What is the difference?
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People were unhappy with the EU long before any hint of a referendum. That was the reason for the referendum.


In a court, only a jury can give a not guilty verdict, but in some instances the Judge can direct the jury to give a not guilty verdict. It should be seen as a similar situation where only Parliament is allowed to make the final decision, but in the event of a referendum it's hands are tied. Has there ever been the slightest hint that the result of a previously held referendum wouldn't be respected?

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So even contractors currently without any ships would be able to obtain one? What is the difference?
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So even contractors currently without any ships would be able to obtain one? What is the difference?
The difference is if it fits your narrative/agenda or not.
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