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Old 17-12-2021, 08:20   #1
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Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

Not the Christmas present Johnson asked for.

https://news.sky.com/story/north-shr...hnson-12497814
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Re: Will Johnson be PM in 2023? Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

Probably not, but the tide has turned anyway. Labour have someone who is electable. That's all they needed.

What talent the Tories did have, they've discarded as they don't subscribe to the holy of holy's. Beyond the main policy of getting 'it' done they have nothing except accumulating wealth for themselves (and 'it' has also turned out to be a disaster, surprise, surprise...).
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Labour have someone who is electable. That's all they needed.
I’d definitely open with that, got any other good material?
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Re: Will Johnson be PM in 2023? Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

His fate was sealed long before now.
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Re: Will Johnson be PM in 2023? Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

In regards to the question, probably not - I don’t think he wants to be - but I have no idea who will replace him atm. I think we’ll see some manoeuvring in the spring.
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In regards to the question, probably not - I don’t think he wants to be - but I have no idea who will replace him atm. I think we’ll see some manoeuvring in the spring.
Yes, there is no one obvious to challenge him yet. Are Truss, Gove and Sunak likely to? Perhaps only if he stepped down.

He'll be super rich once he does. Speaking tours, autobiography, "How I got Brexit done" etc.

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His fate was sealed long before now.
By whom?

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Re: Will Johnson be PM in 2023? Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

They're kidding themselves if they think a change of leader is going to make much difference.

What were the Tory strengths?

the Economy? Record debt with inflation at over 5%, and wages way behind that. Folks are going to get poorer and they don't like that.

Immigration? Record numbers coming over the channel..

The NHS? Tbf they never pretended to give a toss about that.
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They're kidding themselves if they think a change of leader is going to make much difference.

What were the Tory strengths?

the Economy? Record debt with inflation at over 5%, and wages way behind that. Folks are going to get poorer and they don't like that.

Immigration? Record numbers coming over the channel..

The NHS? Tbf they never pretended to give a toss about that.
The problem is, regardless of your first post, there is no credible opposition. You could stick Sooty in charge of the Tories and they’d still win the next election.
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The problem is, regardless of your first post, there is no credible opposition. You could stick Sooty in charge of the Tories and they’d still win the next election.
The polls show Labour ahead. Corbyn has been the Conservatives' reason for winning the last election, not Johnson. Now Corbyn's gone the gloves are off.
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Yes, there is no one obvious to challenge him yet. Are Truss, Gove and Sunak likely to? Perhaps only if he stepped down.

He'll be super rich once he does. Speaking tours, autobiography, "How I got Brexit done" etc.

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By whom?
It’s probably hard to pinpoint exactly when as it’s more deaths by a thousand cuts than getting knifed by Gove in the back.

Getting MPs to back Paterson a particular low that got almost universal condemnation here both for being corrupt or (at minimum) stupid idea that would so obviously play badly it calls into question political judgement.

As Pierre and yourself note he can’t really be arsed with the job anyway. Deliver Brexit and ride off into the sunset a hero is now bogged down in mundane and trivial matters like actually governing. A book deal, a newspaper column. Back to the days of being able to afford his own wallpaper.

The problem with all Tory scheming is the people who want the top job want to keep their hands clean.
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Yes, there is no one obvious to challenge him yet. Are Truss, Gove and Sunak likely to? Perhaps only if he stepped down.

He'll be super rich once he does. Speaking tours, autobiography, "How I got Brexit done" etc.

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The polls show Labour ahead. Corbyn has been the Conservatives' reason for winning the last election, not Johnson. Now Corbyn's gone the gloves are off.
Of course anything is possible, but when push comes to shove, I cannot see Starmer and the Current Labour from bench overturning an 80 seat majority.

Labour have done nothing to earn their « current « rise in the polls, if and when the Tories get their house back in order Labour will have to something other than just supporting the government COVID restrictions. Contrary to what YouGov polls might say I don’t think there is much appetite for COVID passports and tighter restrictions….and that’s all Labour offer.

If they were really fighting for government they were a long long way back in this election
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Of course anything is possible, but when push comes to shove, I cannot see Starmer and the Current Labour from bench overturning an 80 seat majority.

Labour have done nothing to earn their « current « rise in the polls, if and when the Tories get their house back in order Labour will have to something other than just supporting the government COVID restrictions. Contrary to what YouGov polls might say I don’t think there is much appetite for COVID passports and tighter restrictions….and that’s all Labour offer.

If they were really fighting for government they were a long long way back in this election
The Conservatives and Labour each have a fairly natural number of votes. The end of Corbyn has seen Labour rise back to this level and the government's failings have seen Labour move past the Conservatives. Opposing the recent Covid restrictions would be unpopular with Labour's supporters in the NHS as well as helping to divide the Conservatives. They were opposed by the Liberal Democrats though.

In this by by-election, Labour was content to take a back seat and let the Liberal Democrats take the seat. People voted tactically to send a message to Johnson. It will be interesting to see if they can hold it an he listens. Based on previous situations, the latter is a big ask.
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Probably not, but the tide has turned anyway. Labour have someone who is electable. That's all they needed.

What talent the Tories did have, they've discarded as they don't subscribe to the holy of holy's. Beyond the main policy of getting 'it' done they have nothing except accumulating wealth for themselves (and 'it' has also turned out to be a disaster, surprise, surprise...).
BoJo’s defeat last night was so big, perhaps you failed to notice Labour not winning. In fact they suffered a 10 point loss on their 2019 performance. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the Leader of the Opposition.
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Of course anything is possible, but when push comes to shove, I cannot see Starmer and the Current Labour from bench overturning an 80 seat majority.

Labour have done nothing to earn their « current « rise in the polls, if and when the Tories get their house back in order Labour will have to something other than just supporting the government COVID restrictions. Contrary to what YouGov polls might say I don’t think there is much appetite for COVID passports and tighter restrictions….and that’s all Labour offer.

If they were really fighting for government they were a long long way back in this election
At the moment the 80-seat deficit is daunting for sure but the difference with Starmer over Corbyn is he isn't actively hated. People are indifferent towards him.

The biggest problem for the Tories will be inflation, rising interest rates, the rising cost of living and COVID having pushed the NHS to breaking point which will be noticed in years to come in delayed appointments. It won't be easy for the Tories to 'get their house in order' after all not breaking your own COVID laws to hold a Christmas Party should be the easy part for them.

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BoJo’s defeat last night was so big, perhaps you failed to notice Labour not winning. In fact they suffered a 10 point loss on their 2019 performance. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the Leader of the Opposition.
That's being put down to tactical voting though. The same as Bexley where informally Liberal Democrats voted Labour. Certainly, Labour HQ wasn't throwing themselves at this seat. Nationally Labour is polling far higher than they were the last time this seat was contested in 2019 so the only way a 10 point loss makes sense is if Labour voters smelled blood and went Lib Dem.
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