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Old 18-12-2021, 22:36   #46
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Re: Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

NEW: Boris Johnson has agreed to sack chief whip Mark Spencer. Said to be gunning for Simon Case also. Source: Politics For All.
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Re: Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

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Re: Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

I guess from that we can conclude Steve Baker is not a lover of free speech.
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Re: Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

Who the hell is Steve Baker ?
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Who the hell is Steve Baker ?
A very unpleasant individual, reminds me of something I occasionally step in
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Chair of the ERG twice (Brexiteers), Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, Vice-Chair of COVID Recovery Group (ERG re-branded).
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A very unpleasant individual, reminds me of something I occasionally step in
Nothing unpleasant about him. Just coz he’s a staunch Brexit supporter and Tory MP, who’s obviously pissed on your chips.
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Nothing unpleasant about him. Just coz he’s a staunch Brexit supporter and Tory MP, who’s obviously pissed on your chips.
He's not just a staunch brexit supporter, he's the self proclaimed brexit hard man, who refers to themselves like that, he's a joke, like most the the rabble that masquerades as our political class
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Re: Will Johnson be PM in 2023? Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

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It’s not tactical voting. You have a Tory stronghold of Tory voters staying at home in protest and the Anti-Tory voters turning out in numbers. I don’t see it as that tactical. Just hope the message is isn’t twisted to say people want Lib Dem policies, coz we certainly don’t.
It's both. The Tory voters did stay home but this is a large majority so to effectively capitalise on that those who just wanted to give the Tories a bloody nose would have to opt for the party that is best placed to defeat them.

Local Election results had suggested this would be the Liberal Democrats as did the nature of the constituency. There was a lot of messaging with the Lib Dem base and the Labour activists nationally - although locally they were upset - that Labour would concentrate on Bexley and the Libs in Shropshire.

Ed Davey didn't go to Bexley and Starmer didn't go to Shropshire. The Liberals didn't send their by-election machine down to Bexley and Labour didn't commit large resources to Shropshire. Although part of this is also down to finances when having to fight two by-elections at the same time.

The Tories will retake it in the next election because it's such a Tory stronghold though
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Re: Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

If the Tories didn't retake this seat in General Election it would probably mean they had less than 100 mps left...
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Re: Liberal Democrats comfortably take North Shropshire

My brother in law sent facebook "link" for the Anti-tory group, that is to get anyone not Tory elected. That seems really daft, you should vote "for" something/someone not anyone not the one disliked.
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My brother in law sent facebook "link" for the Anti-tory group, that is to get anyone not Tory elected. That seems really daft, you should vote "for" something/someone not anyone not the one disliked.
That's not how it works in this country. We vote for the ones we despise least...

Tactixal voting of course wouldn't be necessary if we had a decent electoral system, where your vote only decides the outcome of you're in a marginal constituency. One person, one equal vote doesn't apply in this country.
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