Cable Forum Vaccinations (Booster)

[TheDaddy]

Andrew Bridgen has lost the tory whip for tweeting the vaccines are the greatest crime against humanity since the holocaust, plank

Originally Posted by Jaymoss
The rest of my post was my defence anyway Paul.
I followed Doctor John Campbell and was an ardent vaccination

What's he a doctor of?

[RichardCoulter]

It's just been on the BBC news that the MP Andrew Bridgen has been suspended by the Conservative Party for comparing the Covid vaccine programme to the holocaust. Not sure which constituency he represents. He is currently suspended fir 5 days due to something to do with not properly declaring his financial interests.

Edit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-64236687.amp

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Andrew Bridgen has lost the tory whip for tweeting the vaccines are the greatest crime against humanity since the holocaust, plank



What's he a doctor of?

He has a PhD in nursing for his work on developing methods of teaching via digital media such as online videos.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Andrew Bridgen has lost the tory whip for tweeting the vaccines are the greatest crime against humanity since the holocaust, plank

Democracy's all very well bit you'd think standing for parliament you'd have to have some basic IQ level.
Seems to be a lot of morons on that wing of the Tory party.

[Pierre]

I had the initial two Jabs and booster, because I needed them to play Golf in Spain. My two kids, both under 16 have not been vaccinated.

I won't be having any more unless it affects my travel plans, but I don't think it will as everybody seems to binned that requirement.

I think there is certainly a need to for a proper review, there does seem to be a possible link to myocarditis in some people but whether that's from the vaccine or from the virus has not been determined.

Personally, I think it was a mistake to vaccinate anyone under 50 that had no other underlying health issues.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Democracy's all very well bit you'd think standing for parliament you'd have to have some basic IQ level.

Just the gift of the gab is all that matters to get elected.

[ianch99]

This article has a lot of info and links refuting the "vaccines are more harmful than Covid" premise: https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/people...231015801.html

For example:

Why are some people more afraid of the vaccine than they are of COVID?

Data has repeatedly shown that COVID-19 is more dangerous and deadly than any potential side effects of taking the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, research has found that the risk of developing myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that has been linked with the COVID-19 vaccine in rare cases, is significantly higher in the aftermath of a COVID-19 infection than after getting the vaccine. (One analysis published in the journal Circulation showed that people infected with COVID-19 who hadn't been vaccinated were 11 times more at risk for developing myocarditis within 28 days of testing positive for the virus — and the risk was cut in half if a person was infected after receiving at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.)

The irony is that misinformation about the risk of vaccines will actually cause more deaths

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This article has a lot of info and links refuting the "vaccines are more harmful than Covid" premise: https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/people...231015801.html

For example:



The irony is that misinformation about the risk of vaccines will actually cause more deaths

It's very important you read the studies cited in the article and not the article narrative itself.

From the study cited:

In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test

Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

All of the conclusions by the way are based on estimated data.

The incidence rate ratio and excess number of hospital admissions or deaths from myocarditis per million people were estimated for the 1 to 28 days after sequential doses of adenovirus (ChAdOx1) or mRNA-based (BNT162b2, mRNA-1273) vaccines, or after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.

The bottom line is, that no one really knows yet and it will probably be years before we do.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's very important you read the studies cited in the article and not the article narrative itself.

From the study cited:

All of the conclusions by the way are based on estimated data.

The bottom line is, that no one really knows yet and it will probably be years before we do.

Yes, there may well be corner cases where caution is needed before deciding to get vaccinated but the danger is that the focus on corner cases to the detriment of all others is to dangerously misinform. In the modern world, so many read click bait, one line headlines and conclude that what is best for them, the headline "Vaccines more dangerous than Covid" will mislead many.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think there is certainly a need to for a proper review, there does seem to be a possible link to myocarditis in some people but whether that's from the vaccine or from the virus has not been determined.

Personally, I think it was a mistake to vaccinate anyone under 50 that had no other underlying health issues.

There is a link to myocarditis in the under the 30s according to the yellow card reporting system but at the moment it's still statistically under the risk of developing it from the virus itself.

Originally Posted by Damien

There is a link to myocarditis in the under the 30s according to the yellow card reporting system but at the moment it's still statistically under the risk of developing it from the virus itself.

Some recent info on the GOV.UK site, giving some context re myocarditis.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-professionals

Background
Background to myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination and guidelines:

this is a very rare condition following vaccination (see the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency’s (MHRA) monthly summary for the latest data)

most patients who develop symptoms do so within a week of vaccination

patients who develop symptoms have usually been vaccinated with a mRNA vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna)

myocarditis and pericarditis following vaccination is usually mild or stable and patients typically recover fully without medical treatment

myocarditis – a very small number of those with this condition have been admitted to hospital. In 2 studies from the US significant left ventricular (LV) fibrosis has been described in a high percentage of those children admitted to hospital, with a small percentage of these having non-sustained ventricular tachycardia (VT)
- no long-term follow-up data is available yet on hospitalised patients
- diagnosis of myocarditis and pericarditis should follow published international guidelines
- the majority of cases appear to be mild and self-limiting; any acutely ill or unstable patients should be referred to hospital directly
- the long-term consequences of this condition secondary to vaccination are yet unknown, so any screening recommendations need to be balanced against the frequency and severity of the disease with the aim to prevent complications, in particular of myocarditis (arrhythmias, long term myocardial damage or heart failure)

Epidemiology
Myocarditis and pericarditis are both inflammatory conditions of the heart. The incidence of myocarditis is difficult to ascertain as most cases are mild and are often not well investigated. In one study from the UK, it was estimated that between 1998 and 2017, there were 36.5 per 100,000 NHS admissions with myocarditis, with the numbers increasing each year since 2004. In 2017, it was estimated that there were about 2,000 hospital admissions for myocarditis.

Overall, two-thirds of myocarditis cases were in men, and men were significantly younger (median age 33) compared to women. There are many different causes of myocarditis but the most common type of myocarditis is an acute lymphocytic myocarditis, often caused by viral infection.

Pericarditis is often a more benign condition and responds to treatment with anti-inflammatory medical treatment. In most cases, it has no long-term sequelae if treated promptly, but it can reoccur.

Post-COVID-19 vaccination
Reports of myocarditis and pericarditis following vaccination with COVID-19 vaccines have been received by the MHRA.

As of 23 November 2022, there have been 851 reports of myocarditis and 579 reports of pericarditis following the use of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. There have been 251 reports of myocarditis and 149 reports of pericarditis following the use of the Moderna vaccine. Some cases have been reported following the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine but given the extensive use of AstraZeneca in the UK, these are thought to reflect the expected background incidence rate of myocarditis and pericarditis.

As of 23 November 2022, the overall reporting rate across all age groups for myocarditis following vaccination with the monovalent Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 10 reports per million doses; for pericarditis, it was 6 reports per million doses. For monovalent Moderna vaccine, the overall reporting rate for myocarditis was 14 reports per million doses; for pericarditis, it was 8 reports per million doses.

In those aged under 18 years, the reported rate for heart inflammation (myocarditis and pericarditis) was 13 per million first doses and 8 per million second doses of the monovalent Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine; these are lower than the reporting rates seen in young adults. There is currently insufficient data to calculate the reporting rate for third/booster doses. The monovalent Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is recommended for use in this age group for the first and second doses.

It is important to note that Yellow Card data and similar vaccine surveillance data from other countries cannot be used to compare the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccines as many factors can influence reporting.

[Itshim]

I know personally two people that had strokes with in 3 days of jabs, neither fit the " normal" stats for high risk . So no thanks to any more

[Jaymoss]

CDC in the US have released information that there is a possible link with Pfizer Vaccine and stroke in those over 65. Possible not definite before anyone jumps on me

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-boosters.html

Originally Posted by Itshim

I know personally two people that had strokes with in 3 days of jabs, neither fit the " normal" stats for high risk . So no thanks to any more

I know several people, inc me, who won on the lottery within 3 days of jabs.

I've had everything on offer for 70 years.I'm still here.