Post-Brexit Thread

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You could argue that supporting its way of life suggest no change in the status quo ie remain in the EU.

I wanted to demonstrate that you can be accused of being unpatriotic whichever way you voted. To accuse people of being unpatriotic as papers like The Express do is not constructive and can be offensive.

Sadly one can be accused of not being patriotic by some who obviously cannot debate like rational , reasoned adults thus they tend to throw these labels around willy nilly which frankly is pathetic IMO.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They're part of the reason we're leaving, people are fed up with them feathering their own nests.

Agreed although compared to the US our politicians are pretty angelic!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You could argue that supporting its way of life suggest no change in the status quo ie remain in the EU.

I wanted to demonstrate that you can be accused of being unpatriotic whichever way you voted. To accuse people of being unpatriotic as papers like The Express do is not constructive and can be offensive.

yes you could argue that supporting the EU is patriotic but patriotic to which state ?
i think the worry now is that some will act in an unpatriotic/undemocratic /unBritish way to try and reverse/ undermine the democratic decision made by the British people to take back control of the UK and leave the EU.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Sadly one can be accused of not being patriotic by some who obviously cannot debate like rational , reasoned adults thus they tend to throw these labels around willy nilly which frankly is pathetic IMO.

make sure the saddle is nice and tight one wouldn't want you to fall off that high horse your perched on

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

yes you could argue that supporting the EU is patriotic but patriotic to which state ?
i think the worry now is that some will act in an unpatriotic/undemocratic /unBritish way to try and reverse/ undermine the democratic decision made by the British people to take back control of the UK and leave the EU.

That's why Brexit must be full. Otherwise the remoaners will slowly and sneakily slide us beck into the EU fold.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

That's why Brexit must be full. Otherwise the remoaners will slowly and sneakily slide us beck into the EU fold.

and that would be unpatriotic bordering on treachery .

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Sadly one can be accused of not being patriotic by some who obviously cannot debate like rational , reasoned adults thus they tend to throw these labels around willy nilly which frankly is pathetic IMO.

Agreed. As soon as I read the labels "Brextremeist" or "Remoaner" in an article it's usually a red flag to indicate that the article is going to be blinkered and unconstructive.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

make sure the saddle is nice and tight one wouldn't want you to fall off that high horse your perched on

Well l never expected that from you old boy..

[1andrew1]

Financial Times Labour MP Hilary Benn, who was elected as chairman of the House of Commons Brexit committee this week, said he and fellow committee members “will want to get answers from ministers because we need to manage the uncertainty” for business and other affected groups and parliament “would want to express a view”.

However the committee would not seek to control the timing of when Britain triggers Article 50, the official legal notification to other EU member states, Mr Benn said.

https://www.ft.com/content/68e4551a-...b-70e3cabccfae

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. As soon as I read the labels "Brextremeist" or "Remoaner" in an article it's usually a red flag to indicate that the article is going to be blinkered and unconstructive.

Funny that because you just described most of your posts, in this thread, in that entire paragraph.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Funny that because you just described most of your posts, in this thread, in that entire paragraph.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm sorry you feel that way.

It is not a case of me 'feeling' that way.

When you attack the 'brexiteers', by calling them unpatriotic, it's a blinkered way and nonconstructive.

Not ALL your posts are, perhaps in my assertion above, saying most of your posts, was too harsh.

But it is a bit low, to attack those who voted opposite to you. You provided a link to an article but then you took it upon yourself to add a little negative dig, it was uncalled for and I and a few others it would seem to take exception to it.

Damien suggested you said it to spark a reaction, I would say that is provocative if this is true. Provoking other members, is a no no.

Over most of the social networks and what not, there has been a lot of aggressive bickering and trolling, a lot weighed in and aimed at people who voted to leave. People attacking them, calling them 'thick', or suggesting they have no idea what they have done. It is utter nonsense, I have NO regrets voting to leave that corrupted mess, led by unelected 'OLD Men', as Nigel Farage called them.

There are many reasons I voted to leave, the EU being corrupt, tops the list.

[pip08456]

I have no regrets either. Like you I voted from over 40 yrs of experience of Europe and it's political masters and policies.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

It is not a case of me 'feeling' that way.

When you attack the 'brexiteers', by calling them unpatriotic, it's a blinkered way and nonconstructive.

Not ALL your posts are, perhaps in my assertion above, saying most of your posts, was too harsh.

But it is a bit low, to attack those who voted opposite to you. You provided a link to an article but then you took it upon yourself to add a little negative dig, it was uncalled for and I and a few others it would seem to take exception to it.

Damien suggested you said it to spark a reaction, I would say that is provocative if this is true. Provoking other members, is a no no.

Over most of the social networks and what not, there has been a lot of aggressive bickering and trolling, a lot weighed in and aimed at people who voted to leave. People attacking them, calling them 'thick', or suggesting they have no idea what they have done. It is utter nonsense, I have NO regrets voting to leave that corrupted mess, led by unelected 'OLD Men', as Nigel Farage called them.

There are many reasons I voted to leave, the EU being corrupt, tops the list.

My original post was there to demonstrate that the term "unpatriotic" could be applied to either side. Some people got the point, others didn't. I wasn't trying to provoke anyone as that's genuinely not my style. Undoubtedly, my post could have been clearer.

Damien got the irony when he said:

Originally Posted by Damien

I think he is intentionally mocking the use of unpatriotic to describe Remain voters.

I then clarified that it's daft to criticise anyone as unpatriotic:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just demonstrating that the term "unpatriotic" can also be applied to people who voted to leave the EU and that overall it's daft to call people unpatriotic because they voted in one particular way.

I'm still not sure why I'm still being criticised for calling people unpatriotic when I've previously stated that was never my intention. But it may just be a simple matter that you didn't see my explanatory post. Anyway, time to get out into the sunshine.

[pip08456]

You are being criticised for saying it. If it wasn't your intention why say it? An explanatory post afterwards would be unnecessary if you put your POV over in self-explanatory terms to begin with.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

<snip>
There are many reasons I voted to leave, the EU being corrupt, tops the list.

Ah yes, our pure as the driven snow,entirely uncorrupt political parties

wait, what ?