Brexit (Old)

It’s irrelevant who accepts what here, any attempt to keep the UK, in any part of the EU is unacceptable and will be met with public revolt as it should!

Democracy must be respected, we must leave the EU in its entirety!

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

It’s irrelevant who accepts what here, any attempt to keep the UK, in any part of the EU is unacceptable and will be met with public revolt as it should!

Democracy must be respected, we must leave the EU in its entirety!

You better tell that to the PM and her warring cabinet as thus so far all we have had is a total omnishambles since the referendum result..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

You better tell that to the PM and her warring cabinet as thus so far all we have had is a total omnishambles since the referendum result..

It's called 'getting it right', Den. Brexit was never going to be easy, whoever was in charge. Theresa May is correct in her determination to explore all the options on the best deal we can get with the EU while leaving the EU, single market and customs union. You would expect her to do that, right?

If the EU is not prepared to budge, at least she tried, and tried hard. But Brexit will not be a disaster if we fall back on WTO rules, as some people claim. And as far as the border with the Republic of Ireland is concerned, we can put in place technological systems which will enable a 'virtual' border to be in place without the need for physical checks at the border. If the EU don't like it, they can put up the border and that will be down to them.

I still think a deal can be done with the EU, as does Theresa May, to this day. However, if they are intransigent enough to want to shoot off their own foot in an attempt to make an example of us, I know who will end up being embarrassed in the end.

Theresa May is pulling out all the stops to try to implement the wishes of the electorate. We should be supporting her for these valiant attempts to get a good deal with the EU alongside the Brexit objective. We should be getting behind her and cheering her on rather than criticising her at every twist and turn.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

It’s irrelevant who accepts what here, any attempt to keep the UK, in any part of the EU is unacceptable and will be met with public revolt as it should!

Democracy must be respected, we must leave the EU in its entirety!

I know Brexit votes that wanted to stay in single market so not all brexiteers voted for same thing and why people want uk to fall over cliff edge is beyond me

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's called 'getting it right', Den. Brexit was never going to be easy, whoever was in charge. Theresa May is correct in her determination to explore all the options on the best deal we can get with the EU while leaving the EU, single market and customs union. You would expect her to do that, right?

If the EU is not prepared to budge, at least she tried, and tried hard. But Brexit will not be a disaster if we fall back on WTO rules, as some people claim. And as far as the border with the Republic of Ireland is concerned, we can put in place technological systems which will enable a 'virtual' border to be in place without the need for physical checks at the border. If the EU don't like it, they can put up the border and that will be down to them.

I still think a deal can be done with the EU, as does Theresa May, to this day. However, if they are intransigent enough to want to shoot off their own foot in an attempt to make an example of us, I know who will end up being embarrassed in the end.

Theresa May is pulling out all the stops to try to implement the wishes of the electorate. We should be supporting her for these valiant attempts to get a good deal with the EU alongside the Brexit objective. We should be getting behind her and cheering her on rather than criticising her at every twist and turn.

not if the reports about wanting cake and eat it they wont

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'Worst of both worlds': Boris Johnson and David Cameron savage Theresa May's Brexit plan

https://news.sky.com/story/worst-of-...-plan-11427859

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

I know Brexit votes that wanted to stay in single market so not all brexiteers voted for same thing and why people want uk to fall over cliff edge is beyond me

That's an interesting comment, Dave. You know people who wanted to remain in the common market? That would be the worst of all worlds and it will be a contradiction in terms. There would be absolutely no benefit to staying in the Common Market and Brexiting, because there would be no benefits for the UK. In fact, that would be the 'cliff edge' that you keep going on about. Still paying into the EU, still in the customs union and still accepting EU laws (but without having a say in them) and unable to make our own trade deals. Who the heck would vote for that?

Brexit means leaving the EU and its institutions and going it alone as we did prior to our joining the common market. That's what people who want to leave voted for, albeit for different reasons. Nothing to be afraid of, old chap.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

not if the reports about wanting cake and eat it they wont

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'Worst of both worlds': Boris Johnson and David Cameron savage Theresa May's Brexit plan

https://news.sky.com/story/worst-of-...-plan-11427859

What's this obsession with cake? Is this connected to the obesity crisis, I wonder? I don't like the stuff anyway.

I am surprised by your attitude, Dave, really. Do you not want what's best for Britain? Continued co-operation with the EU, but not within the EU, frictionless borders and yet the ability to make our own trade deals? Why shouldn't we strive for that?

It sounds to me that you are just hoping that this whole thing will be a disaster.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That's an interesting comment, Dave. You know people who wanted to remain in the common market? That would be the worst of all worlds and it will be a contradiction in terms. There would be absolutely no benefit to staying in the Common Market and Brexiting, because there would be no benefits for the UK. In fact, that would be the 'cliff edge' that you keep going on about. Still paying into the EU, still in the customs union and still accepting EU laws (but without having a say in them) and unable to make our own trade deals. Who the heck would vote for that?

Brexit means leaving the EU and its institutions and going it alone as we did prior to our joining the common market. That's what people who want to leave voted for, albeit for different reasons. Nothing to be afraid of, old chap.

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What's this obsession with cake? Is this connected to the obesity crisis, I wonder? I don't like the stuff anyway.

I am surprised by your attitude, Dave, really. Do you not want what's best for Britain? Continued co-operation with the EU, but not within the EU, frictionless borders and yet the ability to make our own trade deals? Why shouldn't we strive for that?

It sounds to me that you are just hoping that this whole thing will be a disaster.

jumping of a cliff edge is not whats best for Britain OB and you even will agree with that pm talked about hard Brexit before general election wanting a mandate for it and lost her majority having to go to DUP to stay in office so lost mandate for hard Brexit both sides need to compromise

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Originally Posted by denphone

You better tell that to the PM and her warring cabinet as thus so far all we have had is a total omnishambles since the result..

she just trying to do what best to keep her party together and not whats best for country like Cameron did with doing referendum it didn't work for him as more divided now as always and it wont work now

I am going to repeat the following rule only once from the first post in this thread - I do not want to see terms such as "Remoaners", "Brexstremists", "Extreme Brexiteers" or "Hard Brexiteers" or any other variation that labels a Brexiteer in any other form.

A person who voted to leave the EU is not a "Hard Brexiteer" nor are they a "Extreme Brexiteer." They voted to leave the EU and they expect the democratic result to be enacted, that does not in any way make them a hard brexiteer, there is nothing wrong with them being known as a "Brexiteer".

The stupid extra labelling will stop, ignorance to this instruction will see forum accounts dealt with accordingly. I have had enough!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

jumping of a cliff edge is not whats best for Britain OB and you even will agree with that pm talked about hard Brexit before general election wanting a mandate for it and lost her majority having to go to DUP to stay in office so lost mandate for hard Brexit both sides need to compromise.

she just trying to do what best to keep her party together and not whats best for country like Cameron did with doing referendum it didn't work for him as more divided now as always and it wont work now

Exactly. Compromise is the only solution. Let's hope that's what's happening now.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

jumping of a cliff edge is not whats best for Britain OB and you even will agree with that pm talked about hard Brexit before general election wanting a mandate for it and lost her majority having to go to DUP to stay in office so lost mandate for hard Brexit both sides need to compromise

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she just trying to do what best to keep her party together and not whats best for country like Cameron did with doing referendum it didn't work for him as more divided now as always and it wont work now

How is seeking a deal with the EU while Brexiting a 'cliff edge', Dave? You'll need to explain that to me! This is the Government's stated intention, but of course we can't force the EU to do what it doesn't want to do. So, the only alternative for us if the voters' wishes are to be implemented is WTO conditions, and despite the labels put on this option, it is most certainly not a cliff edge. It is a wonderful opportunity.

Seriously, what else would you have the government do? Give up and say, "Voters, you lose?"

All the Brexiters on Theresa's team are saying is "Adhere to the wishes of the British people" and that is exactly what she is doing.

Rather than slagging the government off at every turn, it might be rather more productive to say what you would advocate in order to bring about the result of the referendum - to leave the EU.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. Compromise is the only solution. Let's hope that's what's happening now.

The decision of the voters was to leave the EU. Your compromise would not achieve that, so it is not a credible alternative.

TM is attempting to thrash out a deal with the EU, but it takes two to tango.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The decision of the voters was to leave the EU. Your compromise would not achieve that, so it is not a credible alternative.

TM is attempting to thrash out a deal with the EU, but it takes two to tango.

It's May's compromise and she needs to thrash it out with the cabinet before she can offer it to the EU.

This thread seems to be completely detached from what is happening.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How is seeking a deal with the EU while Brexiting a 'cliff edge', Dave? You'll need to explain that to me! This is the Government's stated intention, but of course we can't force the EU to do what it doesn't want to do. So, the only alternative for us if the voters' wishes are to be implemented is WTO conditions, and despite the labels put on this option, it is most certainly not a cliff edge. It is a wonderful opportunity.

Seriously, what else would you have the government do? Give up and say, "Voters, you lose?"

All the Brexiters on Theresa's team are saying is "Adhere to the wishes of the British people" and that is exactly what she is doing.

Rather than slagging the government off at every turn, it might be rather more productive to say what you would advocate in order to bring about the result of the referendum - to leave the EU.

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The decision of the voters was to leave the EU. Your compromise would not achieve that, so it is not a credible alternative.

TM is attempting to thrash out a deal with the EU, but it takes two to tango.

em she hasn't even started trying to get a deal with EU it her own party she trying to do a deal at moment that what todays about you forgetting the FACTS again OB

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

em she hasn't even started trying to get a deal with EU it her own party she trying to deal at moment that what todays you forgetting the FACTS again OB

Being divorced from the actual reality l would say Dave.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That's an interesting comment, Dave. You know people who wanted to remain in the common market? That would be the worst of all worlds and it will be a contradiction in terms. There would be absolutely no benefit to staying in the Common Market and Brexiting, because there would be no benefits for the UK. In fact, that would be the 'cliff edge' that you keep going on about. Still paying into the EU, still in the customs union and still accepting EU laws (but without having a say in them) and unable to make our own trade deals. Who the heck would vote for that?

How about Boris Johnson - http://uk.businessinsider.com/boris-...s-union-2018-1
How about Nigel Farage, Daniel Hannan, Owen Patterson and Arron Banks who favoured a Norway style relationship (single market) with the EU - https://quotebrexit.wordpress.com/20...single-market/

They all seemed keen a while back on the single market.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's May's compromise and she needs to thrash it out with the cabinet before she can offer it to the EU.

This thread seems to be completely detached from what is happening.

Isn't that what today's meeting at Chequers is all about? Working out a plan of the most likely deal the EU will accept while achieving Brexit?

That's what we've been talking about, surely? Or are we picking hairs again?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Isn't that what today's meeting at Chequers is all about? Working out a plan of the most likely deal the EU will accept while achieving Brexit?
That's what we've been talking about, surely?

Yes but you're talking as if May is trying to get a 'clean' Brexit when today is about if she can please the Brexiters with her compromise plan and also as if we've given the EU our initial idea when we have not.