Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

First of all, the care homes should have processes in place to isolate residents from the virus. About half of all deaths during the first wave were care home residents.

Those vulnerable people in the community should be advised on how to keep safe, and those living with them should as well.

Any detail on what should be in this advice to 17 million people and their families? What financial support do you propose for those unable to work?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

l wonder if Old Boy can give us a figure on what he thinks is acceptable in terms of Covid deaths and a price worth paying according to him to help the economy.

You are in great danger of believing jfman’s twisted interpretation of posts made by others. I have never said that any number of deaths are acceptable.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

So are we waiting on vaccines Old Boy or just letting it rip? I keep losing track.

I read it as Old Boy has now accepted we need to wait for the vaccines, and his shift in position occurred some time today.

[Mad Max]

My wife gets her Covid jab this Wednesday, she works for the NHS.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are in great danger of believing jfman’s twisted interpretation of posts made by others. I have never said that any number of deaths are acceptable.

Yet as far as I can tell you propose to offer those who are vulnerable an advice pamphlet.

What if someone lives with someone vulnerable and has no choice but to take public transport to work? Are you proposing to furlough this person to "shield the vulnerable"? For how long?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

First of all, the care homes should have processes in place to isolate residents from the virus. About half of all deaths during the first wave were care home residents.

Those vulnerable people in the community should be advised on how to keep safe, and those living with them should as well.

They do now (mostly) - that’s about 500k of the 17 million.

Your solution for the rest (and their families) seems a bit general and non-specific - if it were that easy, don’t you think that advice would be out there already?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

My wife gets her Covid jab this Wednesday, she works for the NHS.

Excellent news.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are in great danger of believing jfman’s twisted interpretation of posts made by others. I have never said that any number of deaths are acceptable.

Hmmm no OB that is my interpretation and one you seem disinclined to answer..

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

Excellent news.

Thanks...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

My wife gets her Covid jab this Wednesday, she works for the NHS.

Originally Posted by Mad Max

My wife gets her Covid jab this Wednesday, she works for the NHS.

Excellent news

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

So are we waiting on vaccines Old Boy or just letting it rip? I keep losing track.

Yes, I thought you were having difficulty keeping up.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Sweden not tackling the problem has resulted in Sweden still having the virus out there

The point I was making, of course, was with or without lockdowns, deaths from the virus are inevitable.

We’ve had a lockdown plus months of emergency measures, and we’ve still had 75,000 deaths. The only problem we have successfully tackled up until just recently has been to slow down the virus to ensure the NHS is not overwhelmed.

Fortunately, the vaccines are now available which is the only option we have to reduce the death toll.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Any detail on what should be in this advice to 17 million people and their families? What financial support do you propose for those unable to work?

There is already advice out there. Financial support is already available.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I read it as Old Boy has now accepted we need to wait for the vaccines, and his shift in position occurred some time today.

Now that we have vaccines, that certainly changes the position. Just weeks ago, such a solution was not guaranteed.

My frustration up until that point was that this perpetual talk of lockdowns was being seen by some as a way of killing off the virus. That was never going to happen.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Hmmm no OB that is my interpretation and one you seem disinclined to answer..

Oh dear....

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are in great danger of believing jfman’s twisted interpretation of posts made by others. I have never said that any number of deaths are acceptable.

According to the definition I posted, jfman is trolling you.
Perhaps best not to rise to his provocation, OB.

Imo, there is considerable merit in much (not all) of what you say; likewise jfman - until you two spar fruitlessly.

What is absolutely clear to me, is that the vaccine(s) can solve this problem and the challenge now for the Guvmin is to decentralise execution and put it into local authorities' hands who can coordinate with surgeries and Parish Councils.

The Guvmin also needs to get the woke questionnaire removed that deters suitable volunteers from applying to be inoculators - like retired GPs.

We are too close to possible success to trust it to the Guvmin who are essentially incompetent (but got Brexit done).

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, I thought you were having difficulty keeping up.

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The point I was making, of course, was with or without lockdowns, deaths from the virus are inevitable.

We’ve had a lockdown plus months of emergency measures, and we’ve still had 75,000 deaths. The only problem we have successfully tackled up until just recently has been to slow down the virus to ensure the NHS is not overwhelmed.

Fortunately, the vaccines are now available which is the only option we have to reduce the death toll.

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There is already advice out there. Financial support is already available.

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Now that we have vaccines, that certainly changes the position. Just weeks ago, such a solution was not guaranteed.

My frustration up until that point was that this perpetual talk of lockdowns was being seen by some as a way of killing off the virus. That was never going to happen.

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Oh dear....

No one said that - it was always about slowing the spread, avoiding overwhelming the NHS, and preventing vulnerable people dying prematurely

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

According to the definition I posted, jfman is trolling you.
Perhaps best not to rise to his provocation, OB.

Imo, there is considerable merit in much (not all) of what you say; likewise jfman - until you two spar fruitlessly.

What is absolutely clear to me, is that the vaccine(s) can solve this problem and the challenge now for the Guvmin is to decentralise execution and put it into local authorities' hands who can coordinate with surgeries and Parish Councils.

The Guvmin also needs to get the woke questionnaire removed that deters suitable volunteers from applying to be inoculators - like retired GPs.

We are too close to possible success to trust it to the Guvmin who are essentially incompetent (but got Brexit done).

The execution will be handled by the NHS through the trusts GP surgery's etc.

As to the questionnaire.

Asked about reports potential volunteers were being deterred by the additional training and forms about "de-radicalisation measures" and "fire drills", Mr Johnson told the BBC's Andrew Marr on Sunday: "I think it's absurd and I know that the health secretary is taking steps to get rid of that pointless bureaucracy."

There's also 150 army mobile vaccination units on standby.