08-06-2008, 16:37
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#8401
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Florence
To use it to improve services like giving VOIP priority etc no as it is only sniffing then prioritiings so only checks headers and titles if I remember right but what BT plan is to use DPI to harvest keywords from websites you visit to target adverts to you using a partner in the name of Phorm >121media>peopleonpage rootkits.
This is more of a intrusion as it wil see everything you see on your screen not just identify what you are downloading. Also the adverts could be large in size and you are paying for a certain amount of bandwidth and if like me block all adverts to keep all the bandwidth for your surfing.
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Thanks for that....I was a little worried then
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08-06-2008, 16:42
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Toto
I'm a bit lost in this thread, assuming that DPI means Deep Packet Inspection, is the use of such technology illegal in the UK?
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With regard to how DPI may be used by Internet Service Providers - the laws specifically state interception may only occur for reasonable network management and explicitly state not for marketing or advertising.
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08-06-2008, 18:11
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Services: Cablevision
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Florence
Alexander the first all HTTPS website nice shame though that BT has brought the internet into disrepute making this move needed.
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Unlikely, my shop site will run in https only, the https site is a mirror of the http site apart from the checkout etc does not run in http
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08-06-2008, 18:25
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by SMHarman
Unlikely, my shop site will run in https only, the https site is a mirror of the http site apart from the checkout etc does not run in http
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If this DPI rootkit system ever gets off the ground, consider using HTTPS in your Product Browsing area to prevent unfortunate users & your Products from being scanned & profiled.
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08-06-2008, 18:34
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Unfortunately, so many suppliers require you to enter personal information on a non-https page, and only use the secure page for payments.
I always email the webmaster, and explain that I wanted to purchase, but will not do so, unless all personal information is secure.
Colin
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08-06-2008, 19:12
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Join Date: Jun 2003
Services: The wonders of Sky TV BT line and Aquiss.net ADSL cable dies on 5th RIP VM.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by CWH
Unfortunately, so many suppliers require you to enter personal information on a non-https page, and only use the secure page for payments.
I always email the webmaster, and explain that I wanted to purchase, but will not do so, unless all personal information is secure.
Colin
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This is one reason why this type of intrusion should never be allowed, The person running it has already shoiwn contempt for public for his own gains with rootkits. The chances of temptation making him revert for material gain again is high. Sorry to say this is one person who has wronged many people and always managed to avoid the consequencies.
It is almost like puttng bank robbers inside an unlocked bank with an open safe would they empty the safe or walk away from temptation..
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08-06-2008, 19:48
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bristol
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No more Virgin Media, no more Virgin Phone, no more Virgin Mobile.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff
I doubt it is the first 100% https site hehehe but it is a good start. I think I feel a campaign to get the major browsers to add OpenCA as a valid certificate authority. It wouldn't help with hardware overheads but it would at least make the certificates free.
Alexander Hanff
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(deleted bogus info; Google does index https I was wrong)
Encryption is not necessary unless you've got crooks stealing content, and spying on traffic. The solution is not encryption, its putting the crooks behind a firewall [a brick firewall, with bars in the window, and a shower where no one dares pick up the soap].
Pete
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13,991... 13,992 ...
8 chances, just 8 chances to be in the elite 'fourteen thousand club'. Image the kudos...
'My family were *ALL* in the first fourteen thousand'
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08-06-2008, 20:37
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
(deleted bogus info; Google does index https I was wrong)
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I also found this out only relatively recently. However, I think you were about to make a valid point. Not everything that indexes the web is going to be happy with HTTPS. As well as general purpose search engines, there are many more specialist services. Examples of these would be comparison websites that either spider a very limited portion of the web or use real-time site scraping. I’m not saying that this should prohibit the greater use of encryption, just that it’s something that needs to be born in mind.
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08-06-2008, 21:45
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Join Date: May 2008
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler
At least the Home Affairs Select Committee seem to be aware of the concept of function creep:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7441693.stm [ same LINK as above ]
This leads to a short video "Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee on the misuse of data", a few nods and winks in the debate regarding concerns over data. On the whole Keith Vaz made all the usual political fluff talk about assurances and eluded to how the 'Information Commisioner' will save us from abuse!?!
So data abuse gets a 5 minute slot on the BBC with all the warm words of comfort and platitudes about safety. No mention about data abuse by ISPs and collaborations with criminal outfits such as 121Media(Phorm). Vaz did acknowledge 'mission creep' in relation to local councils abusing RIPA powers for none national security reasons.
What the politicians need to get a grip of is how companies like Phorm will abuse private personal data through mission creep. We have already seen an example discussed by licensed private investigator Steven Rambam how government bureacrats in America circumvent data laws by allowing private companies to do the dirty work of collecting information and profiling citizens. This is exactly what Phorm will do if they are given half a chance to, if they can abuse it they will.
Steven Rambam material
Parts 1,2 and 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01334&q=&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76329&q=&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...89975&q=&hl=en
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08-06-2008, 22:42
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
One area missed is the exploitation of web content; the thing that makes the web so valuable in the first place is the range of information you can access.
Phorm steal that information, copy it, and use it to sell advertising. That includes stealing information from the personal websites, the niche web sites, the eCommerce web sites, the information sites.
Compared to illicit DVD copying, this is major crime... its mass copyright theft. Like walking into a library and photocopying every page of every book anyone reads, but on a nationwide scale.
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I've now included this as a major point at
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/whyitswrong.htm
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08-06-2008, 22:49
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 337
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
(deleted bogus info; Google does index https I was wrong)
Encryption is not necessary unless you've got crooks stealing content, and spying on traffic. The solution is not encryption, its putting the crooks behind a firewall [a brick firewall, with bars in the window, and a shower where no one dares pick up the soap].
Pete
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13,991... 13,992 ...
8 chances, just 8 chances to be in the elite 'fourteen thousand club'. Image the kudos...
'My family were *ALL* in the first fourteen thousand'
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08-06-2008, 23:46
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by davethejag
Hi, It has been mentioned in the past on Cable Forum (and loads of other websites) that ISP's have given out personal information about people that have dowloaded a "Pinball" game and then they have been pursued by a Legal firm called Davenport Lyons. They have asked for money from them or they will be taken to court. Here is a link about it, there is loads more if you search the internet.
http://torrentfreak.com/youre-caught...w-or-go-broke/
dave.
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Interesting followup showing justice can be done:
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20...-for-6-months/
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09-06-2008, 00:11
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Join Date: May 2008
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Having "contibuted" to the happyhackers club in my younger years this makes me more determined than ever to see this phail.
As for Vaz bleeting about Mission Creep: as an technical ex-armed forces member I know for a fact that BT and Labour/Tory/Liberal governments will, as in the 70`s/80`s, be mirrored any and all profiles once Webwise/Phorm comes into effect.
I`ve spent the last 6 weeks bookmarking and visiting terrorist websites in the hope that the top 10 words/per page are:
Weapons: Infantry/5.56mm/7.62/L96A1/Sniper/Area Denial/IED/Liquid/HME/Co-oP/
I wonder just what kind of ads BT/Phorm can serve up to an exserviceman.
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09-06-2008, 00:26
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Services: The wonders of Sky TV BT line and Aquiss.net ADSL cable dies on 5th RIP VM.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by GeordieF
Having "contibuted" to the happyhackers club in my younger years this makes me more determined than ever to see this phail.
As for Vaz bleeting about Mission Creep: as an technical ex-armed forces member I know for a fact that BT and Labour/Tory/Liberal governments will, as in the 70`s/80`s, be mirrored any and all profiles once Webwise/Phorm comes into effect.
I`ve spent the last 6 weeks bookmarking and visiting terrorist websites in the hope that the top 10 words/per page are:
Weapons: Infantry/5.56mm/7.62/L96A1/Sniper/Area Denial/IED/Liquid/HME/Co-oP/
I wonder just what kind of ads BT/Phorm can serve up to an exserviceman.
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Most likely get you marked on the governments list as apossible terrorist..
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09-06-2008, 00:37
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bristol
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No more Virgin Media, no more Virgin Phone, no more Virgin Mobile.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by GeordieF
I wonder just what kind of ads BT/Phorm can serve up to an exserviceman.
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According to Kent that's not a product friendly profile.
If you're not aware of this, you should be.
(Update; looking back through your posts I see you're already aware).
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