Irish referendum on abortion May 25 2018

MalteseFalcon · 25-05-2018, 23:49

Today, Irish citizens voted in a referendum to repeal the 8th Amendment, in a move to make abortion decriminalised, where at the moment it is only allowed in circumstances where the mother's life is at stake.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...abortions.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44241521

2 different exit polls point to a victory for abortion to be made legal, one making it 69.4% to 30.6% in favour of legalising abortion, with another making it a straight 68% to 32% in favour of legalising abortion.

As a Catholic, I am severely torn as to how I would have voted in this referendum or how I would vote if we had one in the UK. I like to think I am in the pro life camp though, if I had to vote in a referendum like this.

**Damien** · 26-05-2018, 07:58

Pretty amazing margin of victory unless the exit poll is massively wrong....

denphone · 26-05-2018, 09:46

Personally l think its a great step forward.

Taf · 26-05-2018, 18:43

A win for the Yes voters, let's see if their parliament follows that vote.

**Damien** · 26-05-2018, 19:23

With 66% in favour it'll be hard not too, not to mention the major parties backed Yes.

OLD BOY · 26-05-2018, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Damien

With 66% in favour it'll be hard not too, not to mention the major parties backed Yes.

Not sure about that. If Brexit had 66% in favour, the remainers still wouldn't have accepted it.

The anti-abortionists are not going to lie down quietly, I can assure you!

Hom3r · 27-05-2018, 16:37

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not sure about that. If Brexit had 66% in favour, the remainers still wouldn't have accepted it.

The anti-abortionists are not going to lie down quietly, I can assure you!

Nope, they said they'd protest outside clinics.

I'd like to know why men had a vote, it has naff all to do with them.

OLD BOY · 27-05-2018, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Nope, they said they'd protest outside clinics.

I'd like to know why men had a vote, it has naff all to do with them.

I don't know about that. You think a man should not have a say about whether it should be legal to kill a child?

papa smurf · 27-05-2018, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Nope, they said they'd protest outside clinics.

I'd like to know why men had a vote, it has naff all to do with them.

you can't get pregnant without a man in the equation directly or indirectly ,they don't manufacture artificial sperm for feminists

ianch99 · 27-05-2018, 22:02

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You think a man should not have a say about whether it should be legal to kill a child?

It doesn't help the debate to use such emotive language. I do not think that 1,429,981 Irish people regards themselves as potential child killers.

Chloé Palmas · 28-05-2018, 03:10

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The anti-abortionists are not going to lie down quietly, I can assure you!

Not at all, and nor should any of us that are pro life be expected to tolerate it.

I am not Irish but I am a Catholic and I now have more solidarity with the North as they remain opposed to abortion.

TheDaddy · 28-05-2018, 04:58

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Nope, they said they'd protest outside clinics.

I'd like to know why men had a vote, it has naff all to do with them.

Going by that logic why allow older woman the vote, it's got naff all to do with the post menopausal or lesbians, they're unlikely to get pregnant and need an abortion. Imo single issues don't make a society so everyone part of that society deserves their say.

OLD BOY · 28-05-2018, 08:36

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Originally Posted by ianch99

It doesn't help the debate to use such emotive language. I do not think that 1,429,981 Irish people regards themselves as potential child killers.

Yes, well you see, that's why so many people voted to legalise it. To many people, abortion just means an operation to remove an unwanted fetus. The words used are deliberately designed to mask the stark reality and horror of the process.

Call it emotive if you like, but when you have an abortion, you are actually killing a baby.. To my mind, an abortion in the early weeks of pregnancy is one thing, but at 24 weeks of pregnancy it is fully formed and is clearly a baby. The criteria used is wrong - it shouldn't be based on viability outside the womb, it should be based on the baby's consciousness and ability to feel pain.

The stories of aborted babies struggling to breathe being left on a slab for hours to die are heartbreaking. Not very civilised, if you ask me.

**Hugh** · 28-05-2018, 09:00

The proposed legislation will allow abortions during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and up to the 24th week in exceptional circumstances.

papa smurf · 28-05-2018, 09:33

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Originally Posted by ianch99

It doesn't help the debate to use such emotive language. I do not think that 1,429,981 Irish people regards themselves as potential child killers.

But how do the people who voted the other way view them 33.6% voted no .