4K : UHD on Virgin Media

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

I think we all know the situation, it's why we are discussing it not being on any other platforms...

Because the trials aim is not produce a 4K SDR broadcast, but to specifically test the BBC's end to end HLG production workflow and output.

Freeview and Freesat don't do 4K.

BT don't support HLG or HDR for their TV service as far as I'm aware - they only done one HDR test to a mobile app.

Although Sky are in the process of updating their boxes to support HLG I don't believe this is in the UK yet and they seem to be having some colour issues:

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Q/3-...815019#M143073

The change in colour to orange may well be caused by the Italian Sky Q box receiving the 4K HLG broadcast, which uses the BT.2020 colour space, and then the TV only displaying it in SDR using the BT.709 colour space. Something to look out for when (if?) we ever get F1 in HLG in the UK.

All customers with a Virgin Media's V6 box have at least 50Mbps and the box is HLG compatible so can get the content via the iPlayer. This is then restricted to TVs that can properly deal with the BT.2020 colour space to try and avoid the issue above for Sky.

[awesometeeth]

Ha, yeah, that's exactly what's going on.

Damn you guys hate the BBC.

Your average user doesn't give a stuff about hlg if they can't access 4k.

Its a trial to see how much damage the BBC wants to self inflict and how badly fanatics can't see the reality.

Again, this could have been done and given the feeds to other platforms..

[RobboEdin]

....but, of course, ALL 4K TV users get a pretty good representation of UHD from HD channels on their TVs from many sources, due to upscaling, but don’t get the vivid colour provided by HDR in all its guises.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

Your average user doesn't give a stuff about hlg if they can't access 4k.

In some respects I would say your average user doesn't actually give a stuff about 4K. The only reason a lot of people will get a 4K TV is that it's becoming the default option. Same as the early HDTVs were 720P only and 1080P was a premium cost, and you now have to specifically look for 720P TVs now as the default for HD is 1080P.

It'll only be when 4K HDR is widely available that really shows the difference between HD and 4K, which is why the BBC are skipping 4K SDR only, and aiming to move to complete 4K HDR production system.

It's the most cost effective option for them, as it allows them to have a single production workflow which they explained in multiple posts.

Again, this could have been done and given the feeds to other platforms.

Not without potential extra costs and time for the BBC to produce those other technical feeds.

Originally Posted by RobboEdin

....but, of course, ALL 4K TV users get a pretty good representation of UHD from HD channels on their TVs from many sources, due to upscaling, but don’t get the vivid colour provided by HDR in all its guises.

Exactly.

The goal of all 4K systems is to move to HDR. But it's only HLG that really works for live broadcast HDR, so that's what the BBC is concentrating making it work the best the can.

Pretty much everyone seems to plan to use HLG, so will use the technical solutions the BBC are working to perfect towards a simple and easy to deploy HDR HLG production workflow. This will speed up the content produced in HLG HDR no matter the platform or producer. This can only be a good thing.

[awesometeeth]

Yeah I'm thinking for some reason you want to make the BBC look exceptionally incompetent and think it's best to tarnish their reputation rather than do it directly...

So, the BBC is pushing ahead to trial something that can't be delivered on mass and doesn't function for the majority of households.

You must think were stupid.

I tell you though, you do a good job, it's A very convincing front to pretend you're pro the BBC when in reality you want it out of the equation and amplify crazy theories.

Shame.

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Originally Posted by RobboEdin

....but, of course, ALL 4K TV users get a pretty good representation of UHD from HD channels on their TVs from many sources, due to upscaling, but don’t get the vivid colour provided by HDR in all its guises.

HDR is great, HDR for a tiny amount of people at the expense of everyone else, not so much.

Don't buy into this HDR test theory, it's made up to make the BBC look awful

We get it - you don’t like the BBC.

[awesometeeth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

We get it - you don’t like the BBC.

Whose this aimed at? Those pushing rubbish to make the BBC look stupid or those who want the BBC doing what it's done so well at for years.

Edit: if it's me, read my posts, I'm irritated that the BBC has given ammunition to those who wants it destroyed so I'm guessing it's not me...

Those making up things on the other hand...

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

those who want the BBC doing what it's done so well at for years.

The BBC are doing what they've done so well for years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/about/history

[awesometeeth]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

The BBC are doing what they've done so well for years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/about/history

You mean by making sure only a select group can view it's content?

Yeah this is where you guys fall down.

That's not what the BBC has been doing for years.

It's crazy to watch, are you playing a game like the other guy or can you really not see the current climate and how the BBC is under attack? Giving ammunition at this time is beyond stupid.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

You mean by making sure only a select group can view it's content?

Yeah this is where you guys fall down.

That's not what the BBC has been doing for years.

It's crazy to watch, are you playing a game like the other guy or can you really not see the current climate and how the BBC is under attack? Giving ammunition at this time is beyond stupid.

You're obviously an expert on all things BBC...……...

[awesometeeth]

You guys are "interesting".

Honest question, do you want the BBC to survive as it was or do you want it to be a second tier broadcaster.

Seems the BBC is already slipping behind the likes of powerhouses like Eurosport so it's clearly going the way some wish.

If your like me and want the BBC to be at the forefront of broadcasting, we need to be realistic about what is required in this new technological era.

Posting about the BBC and it's history isn't going to stop people criticising the BBC if it doesn't keep up.

That's the reality, 4k output is the norm now and I recall the BBC HD channel setting the standard and it's not doing the same for 4k.

With us all experiencing liner channels giving us perfect 4k content on the red button, that's the baseline for what we can expect. If things can't be sorted for the premier football event, it makes you wonder if it's already accepted it's fate due to cuts and pressure to not compete with commercial channels.

If you actually like the BBC, like I do, then this isn't the time to navel gaze and make excuses.

[ozsat]

NICAM stereo - a BBC development which could only be received for nearly FIVE years as a trial in LONDON - and required NEW tv and/or VCR.

The BBC ran HD trials for 18 months before making them available to everybody who purchased new receiving equipment to view in HD. It was a long long time before DTT only viewers got to see HD transmissions.

The BBC ran 3D DTT trials making them available to everybody - who purchased new receiving equipment to view in 3D.

ITV eventuallly caught up with some things - but doesn't really have much interest in technology only money.

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

You mean by making sure only a select group can view it's content?

Yeah this is where you guys fall down.

That's not what the BBC has been doing for years.

It's crazy to watch, are you playing a game like the other guy or can you really not see the current climate and how the BBC is under attack? Giving ammunition at this time is beyond stupid.

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

You mean by making sure only a select group can view it's content?

Yeah this is where you guys fall down.

That's not what the BBC has been doing for years.

It's crazy to watch, are you playing a game like the other guy or can you really not see the current climate and how the BBC is under attack? Giving ammunition at this time is beyond stupid.

Your ‘defence’ of the BBC is quite unconvincing.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

You guys are "interesting".

Honest question, do you want the BBC to survive as it was or do you want it to be a second tier broadcaster.

Seems the BBC is already slipping behind the likes of powerhouses like Eurosport so it's clearly going the way some wish.

If your like me and want the BBC to be at the forefront of broadcasting, we need to be realistic about what is required in this new technological era.

Posting about the BBC and it's history isn't going to stop people criticising the BBC if it doesn't keep up.

That's the reality, 4k output is the norm now and I recall the BBC HD channel setting the standard and it's not doing the same for 4k.

With us all experiencing liner channels giving us perfect 4k content on the red button, that's the baseline for what we can expect. If things can't be sorted for the premier football event, it makes you wonder if it's already accepted it's fate due to cuts and pressure to not compete with commercial channels.

If you actually like the BBC, like I do, then this isn't the time to navel gaze and make excuses.

The Beeb is working on an elegant solution for our new 4K/HDR world and we will be justly proud when this is all up and running. Their strategy depends on HLG, which only became available this year. Trials have now started and in a short while, the BBC will be firing on all cylinders.

I think your criticisms are unfair, and most of us are just happy that we are finally getting the UHD up and running on our flagship channels. When that happens, they will be ahead of the game and the commercial channels will be offering an inferior system.

[muppetman11]

Wimbledon tennis to be screened in 4K HDR by BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44550307