Brexit

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The question will always be where do manufacturers want to concentrate on and what gives the best margins? The EU market is bigger than the UKs so production lines will be slanted towards making goods for the EU market.

This is a common misconception. In Scotland the SNP complains that Scotland is being denied access to a market vastly bigger than the UK one by “being dragged out of Europe against our will”, but the reality is that the overwhelming majority of Scottish “exports” go only as far as Englandshire.

Domestic markets, for most producers, most of the time, are most important. Freeing producers who sell primarily or exclusively to the domestic market from unnecessary and expensive compliance with EU regulations is one of the potential big wins of Brexit.

U.K. exports to the EU in 2017 were £274 billion, 40% of those exports were services (leaving 60% to be goods).

If they don’t comply, aren’t they limiting their market?

60% of £274 billion is around £164 billion - they’re going to have comply, and it may become more "unnecessary and expensive" if we diverge our standards in the future.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

U.K. exports to the EU in 2017 were £274 billion, 40% of those exports were services (leaving 60% to be goods).

60% of £274 billion is around £164 billion - they’re going to have comply, and it may become more "unnecessary and expensive" if we diverge our standards in the future.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

Which is where, while not my preferred outcome, a customs union for goods makes sense and let’s us negotiate trade deals for services. Win-win. No Northern Ireland problem either.

Originally Posted by Hugh

U.K. exports to the EU in 2017 were £274 billion, 40% of those exports were services (leaving 60% to be goods).

If they don’t comply, aren’t they limiting their market?

60% of £274 billion is around £164 billion - they’re going to have comply, and it may become more "unnecessary and expensive" if we diverge our standards in the future.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

The point is, they have the choice whether to comply or not.

[jfman]

I see they’re eating our fish at the summit.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

I see they’re eating our fish at the summit.

Mrs May isn't, she got sent from the room again

Looking like Macron is pushing hard for a v short extension, essentially giving May what she asked for, rather than a long one.

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This whole thing is absurdly embarrassing for a country of our size and history. 27 other nations deciding if they should grant us an extension while we're outside the room powerless. Luxembourg could veto us and we're currently depending on the Germans and Irish to convince the French. We were a senior member of this club until now.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Looking like Macron is pushing hard for a v short extension, essentially giving May what she asked for, rather than a long one.

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This whole thing is absurdly embarrassing for a country of our size and history. 27 other nations deciding if they should grant us an extension while we're outside the room powerless. Luxembourg could veto us and we're currently depending on the Germans and Irish to convince the French. We were a senior member of this club until now.

This is the brutal reality of Brexit. What technically sounds like being in control of our own destiny and regulations is, in fact, fitting in with the wishes and wants of larger trading blocs like the US, China, India and the EU.

Taking the process of leaving the EU, which is a unique event in world history not to mention something that has been wrung out by Theresa May’s personal incompetence, and extrapolating it to make conclusions about all future international dealings between the UK and third parties, is absurd, and a particularly good example of just how nonsensical the confirmation bias has become in this discussion.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This is the brutal reality of Brexit. What technically sounds like being in control of our own destiny and regulations is, in fact, fitting in with the wishes and wants of larger trading blocs like the US, China, India and the EU.

Well,the only reason we haven't left yet is those pesky undemocratic, confused remainers who are determined to keep us in hoc to the EU no matter what the British people voted for.

It is they who are the true embarrassment.

[Dave42]

delay to 31st October being reported now

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Taking the process of leaving the EU, which is a unique event in world history not to mention something that has been wrung out by Theresa May’s personal incompetence, and extrapolating it to make conclusions about all future international dealings between the UK and third parties, is absurd, and a particularly good example of just how nonsensical the confirmation bias has become in this discussion.

I'm afraid size does matter when it comes to negotiations and to pretend otherwise flies in the face of economic realityl.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

delay to 31st October being reported now

Interesting - a mid-point between year end and June end.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well,the only reason we haven't left yet is those pesky undemocratic, confused remainers who are determined to keep us in hoc to the EU no matter what the British people voted for.

It is they who are the true embarrassment.

The ERG had three chances to leave before and they blew it.

[Dave42]

May being invited back now

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm afraid size does matter when it comes to negotiations and to pretend otherwise flies in the face of economic realityl.

If you understood what is happening at the moment you would understand that what you’ve just said is entirely irrelevant tonight.

The process that is underway is dictated by the Treaty of Lisbon, parts of which were drafted by British negotiators and all of which was accepted by the British Government and ratified by the British Parliament.

The 27 remaining member states are doing what law which we agreed while we were members says they must do.

Getting it now?

[Dave42]

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