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Old 20-03-2019, 15:54   #121
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Re: Brexit (New).

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Rumours that TM is to make a statement outside No.10 - denied by her Head of Media.
Is the word of the Head of Media more or less credible than the PM herself?
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Old 20-03-2019, 15:57   #122
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Re: Brexit (New).

Seriously, who is surprised by this? All along, a lot of remainers seem to have thought that the EU would do anything to keep us in, when the truth is we have shown ourselves to be split right down the middle over this, to the point of paralysis even when conventions like the Executive managing foreign policy and parties more-or-less following their manifestos should have provided a safety valve to ensure government could continue. May has drained all patience and political capital. The EU has said for weeks that an extension must be justified by a plan, yet the only plan she has offered is to re-run a vote she has lost spectacularly on two occasions and which Bercow now says she cannot run again.

From the perspective of the French Foreign Ministry, or anywhere else in Europe, what do they gain by granting an extension? What’s in it for them?
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Old 20-03-2019, 15:58   #123
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Is the word of the Head of Media more or less credible than the PM herself?
You can both put them in the same pot as credibility disappeared a long time ago.
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:01   #124
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Re: Brexit (New).

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Seriously, who is surprised by this? All along, a lot of remainers seem to have thought that the EU would do anything to keep us in, when the truth is we have shown ourselves to be split right down the middle over this, to the point of paralysis even when conventions like the Executive managing foreign policy and parties more-or-less following their manifestos should have provided a safety valve to ensure government could continue. May has drained all patience and political capital. The EU has said for weeks that an extension must be justified by a plan, yet the only plan she has offered is to re-run a vote she has lost spectacularly on two occasions and which Bercow now says she cannot run again.

From the perspective of the French Foreign Ministry, or anywhere else in Europe, what do they gain by granting an extension? Whatís in it for them?
Youíre assuming they are prepared for no deal. While Iím sure they are more prepared than us - we donít have the legislation in place let alone the logistics to operate as a third country - it may suit European businesses and ports to extend.

Obviously, they wouldnít tell us this!
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Re: Brexit (New).

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Is the word of the Head of Media more or less credible than the PM herself?
Government PR deliberately lying to the Press is an immediate resignation issue. They donít tell outright lies over trivial matters like the timing of statements.

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Youíre assuming they are prepared for no deal. While Iím sure they are more prepared than us - we donít have the legislation in place let alone the logistics to operate as a third country - it may suit European businesses and ports to extend.

Obviously, they wouldnít tell us this!
The EU is nothing if not pragmatic, when it comes to the crunch. Think about it - No Deal isnít actually No Deal. Itís a series of pragmatic mini-deals, made wherever itís essential to keep things moving. If ďTheĒ deal wonít fly, this is the next best thing. The alternative is a EU election campaign that will be overshadowed by Brexit. Iím certain they donít want that any more than May does.
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:07   #126
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Re: Brexit (New).

Head of Media hasn't out right ruled it out as far as I am aware
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:09   #127
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Re: Brexit (New).

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...to-eu-11670753


Commons anger as Theresa May fails to attend debate on Brexit extension
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Re: Brexit (New).

It’s also worth pointing out that some have suspected the outcome was only ever going to be a No Deal - planned for, and choreographed.
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Re: Brexit (New).

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Donald Tusk: We will grant an A50 extension on the condition that the House of Commons approves the Withdrawal Agreement
https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/s...00555825733632

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I didn't think the EU would be that strong on it tbh.
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:17   #130
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Re: Brexit (New).

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https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/s...00555825733632

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I didn't think the EU would be that strong on it tbh.
Interesting! I think they're just fed up by the British indecision and know that the trade agreement is the key part, not the withdrawal agreement.
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:23   #131
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Re: Brexit (New).

So, May has to go for MV3, get it passed, then she gets a technical extension in order to implement it. If the Commons rejects MV3, or Bercow refuses to allow it to be debated, then we leave with No Deal in 9 days.

Bring it on.
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:28   #132
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Re: Brexit (New).

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status...03987747868672

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Opposition leaders meeting PM at about 6.15, Key group of Brexiteers seeing PM at 7pm, then strong rumours of statement from PM herself at about 8pm - last bit is still not confirmed


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Also this later down in the thread:

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Tusk says he does not foresee an emergency EU summit next week, as extension can be granted in writing if MPs pass the deal. But, "if there such a need" he will not hesitate to call EU leaders to Brussels
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Re: Brexit (New).

I am all the more certain that the strategy is now to go over the heads of the DUP and the ERG and to scare Labour MPs into supporting MV3, or at least abstaining. Tusk has done May a great big favour by putting No Deal firmly back on the table. It really is deal or no deal now - no long extension, no election, no referendum.
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Old 20-03-2019, 16:33   #134
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Re: Brexit (New).

No deal still looks a real possibility though.
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Re: Brexit (New).

At least it's clear now. It can't happen by accident, the people who vote or don't vote for the deal can be later held to account for what happens.
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