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Old 13-04-2019, 20:34   #1606
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is that why only 1 country in world trade only on them OB
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For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, itís GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UKís), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
Maybe thatís the plan. Reduce wages in the UK in real terms until 17% of us are slaves.
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Old 13-04-2019, 22:20   #1607
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Re: Brexit

This is from a few weeks ago, but Henning articulates perfectly why a second vote would not necessarily go the way advocates for it think.

https://www.facebook.com/locbrexit/v...945300?sfns=mo
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Old 13-04-2019, 23:01   #1608
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This is from a few weeks ago, but Henning articulates perfectly why a second vote would not necessarily go the way advocates for it think.

https://www.facebook.com/locbrexit/v...945300?sfns=mo
I counted 116 people in the audience. 6 had changed their mind, each would represent 0.86%. Obviously we donít know in which direction, but thatís the fine margin in which the referendum was won and lost.
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Re: Brexit

Looks like the prediction that a vote for Brexit could let in Corbyn could well come true!
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Jeremy Corbyn is on course to sweep into No 10 after Theresa May failed to deliver on her promise to take the UK out of the EU by March 29, a major polling analysis reveals.
The Conservatives would lose 59 seats in the event of a general election, making Labour the largest party in the Commons, according to an exclusive poll of polls for The Sunday Telegraph.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-hand-corbyn/
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Old 14-04-2019, 08:13   #1610
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Looks like the prediction that a vote for Brexit could let in Corbyn could well come true!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-hand-corbyn/
The giveaway, as always, is antisemitism in the news. A story with more comebacks than Madonna.
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Re: Brexit

We're still in the EU . . still ruled by the EU . . yet blocked by the EU when it suits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47921375

If we had left on March 29th would that 'pollution' bill still have to be paid?

When (if) we eventually leave, will we still be bound by the EU pollution rules, or free to carry on business as usual without this 'extra tax' on steelmaking (and other businesses) ?
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Old 14-04-2019, 09:47   #1612
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We're still in the EU . . still ruled by the EU . . yet blocked by the EU when it suits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47921375

If we had left on March 29th would that 'pollution' bill still have to be paid?

When (if) we eventually leave, will we still be bound by the EU pollution rules, or free to carry on business as usual without this 'extra tax' on steelmaking (and other businesses) ?
The pollution credits are on temporary hold pending acceptance of the withdrawal agreement. Itís temporary, which is why the company feels able to ask HMG for such a massive loan - they will be able to pay it back in full reasonably quickly.

As part of Brexit, EU law is being written into UK law, so in the short to medium term the pollution credit system will continue. However, if we find the system doesnít work for us (and if we donít subsequently sign a Europe-wide pollution treaty at some later date) then we will be free to change or abandon the pollution credit scheme altogether.

Again, just one of the many benefits of Brexit. Once we are no longer treaty bound to accept the entire body of EU law, we have sovereign freedom to decide what is in our national interest and what isnít.
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Old 14-04-2019, 10:34   #1614
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Re: Brexit

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On the contrary, Nige was the only reason many people voted UKIP last time. Had it not been for the toxicity of UKIP with its fanatical base, many more would have voted for them.

Nige has recognised this and formed his very own party. You have grossly underestimated Nigel Farage's popularity, but then again you are a remainer and presumably mix socially with remainers.
I think Nigel is a skilled orator whom the BBC, in particular, seem to love to give airtime to. Calling his new party the Brexit Party is a clever move. If you want to vote Brexit, put that on your form. If you want to vote Remain, do you vote Labour, Green, Change UK (if a party by then) or Liberal Democrat? And that's without mentioning the SNP or Plaid Cymru!
I suspect Damien's social circles are like most people's and include people who voted leave, remain and abstained
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Chris after your kind words on my post can you help GrimUpNorth with his sentence?
Wasn't he a big meat eater? ( The temptation to say meet, and I know it's steak )
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Stake = tent peg
State = territory, defined politically
Where are the punctuation police?

Now I'll get back on topic!
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A shallow reply from you.

John Redwood has consistently campaigned against the EU's hegemony. He has consistently supported the concept of a Common Market. The electorate in his constituency have returned him to Parliament since 1987 fully knowing his position on the EU.

As you know, Brexit has turned everything on its head and your contribution is specious.
Shallow, specious? You need to get a perspective here. If they put a blue rosette on a hat stand, it would win Wokingham.

The individual you admire ignores the majority of his constituency's wishes, ignores the instructions of his party and ignores the real and present danger to the country of leaving without a deal.

I am puzzled why you admire him so?
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Shallow, specious? You need to get a perspective here. If they put a blue rosette on a hat stand, it would win Wokingham.

The individual you admire ignores the majority of his constituency's wishes, ignores the instructions of his party and ignores the real and present danger to the country of leaving without a deal.

I am puzzled why you admire him so?
Havenít you read what Iíve said? JR has been voted in at Wokingham by people in the full knowledge of his EU views. They like him.

As to ignoring party stuff in Parliament, the guvminís mess is such that no Brexit respecting Tory MP would be worth a candle if they followed Mayís whip.

As to no deal, you speak from a Remainerís perspective; that should not be a basis for criticism of an excellent constituency MP.

Your puzzlement is a ridiculous and gratuitous sentiment.


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Havenít you read what Iíve said? JR has been voted in at Wokingham by people in the full knowledge of his EU views. They like him.

As to ignoring party stuff in Parliament, the guvminís mess is such that no Brexit respecting Tory MP would be worth a candle if they followed Mayís whip.

As to no deal, you speak from a Remainerís perspective; that should not be a basis for criticism of an excellent constituency MP.

Your puzzlement is a ridiculous and gratuitous sentiment.


The same argument could be made for every remainer elected in 2017.
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Havenít you read what Iíve said? JR has been voted in at Wokingham by people in the full knowledge of his EU views. They like him.

As to ignoring party stuff in Parliament, the guvminís mess is such that no Brexit respecting Tory MP would be worth a candle if they followed Mayís whip.

As to no deal, you speak from a Remainerís perspective; that should not be a basis for criticism of an excellent constituency MP.

Your puzzlement is a ridiculous and gratuitous sentiment.


Yup, I read it and you are (still) wrong. Redwood was voted in because he is a Tory. That's it. The only qualification needed was a blue rosette.

He clearly fails Churchill's three tests:

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I was there to day outside Parliament Square.

The were stopping several groups merging.

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There is talk that Anna Sourbitch, and two other MPs are going to try and make a law banning negative comments against MPs.

if you can't handle the heat, I'm sure a shelf stacking job awaits
You have spelt her name wrong. Her name is Anna Soubry. In case you are not sure who I mean, she looks like this:

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Havenít you read what Iíve said? JR has been voted in at Wokingham by people in the full knowledge of his EU views. They like him.
I've voted for MPs without worrying about their views on Europe as until now, it's been a non-issue at the elections I've voted in. It will clearly be an issue with MPs like Kate Hoey and John Redwood whose views on this issue are at odds with their constituents. Ditto Remain MPs in leave-voting areas, But an election might be a little way off.
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