Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Whatever way the scottish people vote i hope that whatever side loses will respect their choice and shut up about it. Personally if they vote to stay in the union the snp will have to give it a rest because constantly raising this issue will only damage scotland commercially. I think the big divide in scotland is those who have gone beyond the snp rhetoric and have researched enough to realise that voting to leave will not lead to the utopia the snp says they will enjoy and those who just follow the snp and what they say hook, line and sinker without actually doing the research on the issue. Also seems to me that some of the loudest voices for independence are the ones that have the option not to be adversely affected by it a certain mr connery comes to miind.

[TheDaddy]

We'll know by end of September 2014, come on Scotland do the right thing and err do one

http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/scottish-independence

We're going nowhere, Pal. support for Fat Aleck's little scheme is stuck around the 30% mark. Students at Glasgow held a mock referendum last month and produced a result broadly in line with the polls, which is a blow for the separatists because they expected support to be higher among the young. And on that point, support amongst 16 and 17 year olds, who are being given the vote precisely because the Nats believe the kidz will be well down wiv independence, yeah, well, wee Ned and wee Senga, as it happens, are also polling at around one third support for the proposition.

So there aren't going to be any border controls at Gretna on 15 September 2014.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

We're going nowhere, Pal. support for Fat Aleck's little scheme is stuck around the 30% mark. Students at Glasgow held a mock referendum last month and produced a result broadly in line with the polls, which is a blow for the separatists because they expected support to be higher among the young. And on that point, support amongst 16 and 17 year olds, who are being given the vote precisely because the Nats believe the kidz will be well down wiv independence, yeah, well, wee Ned and wee Senga, as it happens, are also polling at around one third support for the proposition.

So there aren't going to be any border controls at Gretna on 15 September 2014.

Dam and here was me thinking of bidding on the contract to rebuild the Wall

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

We're going nowhere, Pal. support for Fat Aleck's little scheme is stuck around the 30% mark. Students at Glasgow held a mock referendum last month and produced a result broadly in line with the polls, which is a blow for the separatists because they expected support to be higher among the young. And on that point, support amongst 16 and 17 year olds, who are being given the vote precisely because the Nats believe the kidz will be well down wiv independence, yeah, well, wee Ned and wee Senga, as it happens, are also polling at around one third support for the proposition.

So there aren't going to be any border controls at Gretna on 15 September 2014.

Fat alecks convinced me, why should planks in westminster be making decisions on things Scots hold dear like welfare when there are planks a plenty in holyrood that can do it with just as much competence plus as if you didn't know Scotland sits on a sea of oil, it'll be like living in Saudi Arabia without the sunshine come independence.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Fat alecks convinced me, why should planks in westminster be making decisions on things Scots hold dear like welfare when there are planks a plenty in holyrood that can do it with just as much competence plus as if you didn't know Scotland sits on a sea of oil, it'll be like living in Saudi Arabia without the sunshine come independence.

What, an absolute monarchy with a tenuous commitment to human rights?

However, on the small matter of oil:

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

What, an absolute monarchy with a tenuous commitment to human rights?

No more need for extraordinary rendition at least or headlines about imprisonment without trial. Who will you select as monarch, I'd go for either Shaun Connery or rab Nesbitt if I were a native.

---------- Post added at 19:13 ---------- Previous post was at 19:12 ----------

Originally Posted by Chris

However, on the small matter of oil:

Ssssshhh we know that, don't want it getting out though, besides I do hope your not insinuating wee Alec's fibbing

I think he may be burnishing the truth a little.

[Hom3r]

IMHO Scotland will not leave, its only pratts like Salmon that do

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think he may be burnishing the truth a little.

I'll go further and say he's a little fat liar, I seem to remember reading (might even have been,on here) that only once has oil revenue exceeded what Scotland gets under the Barnett formula and that without taking into account a lot of the gas fields would been in what would become English territorial waters.

[Russ]

The Scots don't own the oil though IIRC, Westminster does? The fact it runs through Scotland is just a logistic matter. If the Scots did leg it I'm sure they'd request a 'handling fee' to process the oil. Which of course should not be too high otherwise Dave will just build a pipe around Scotland and get it direct.

Originally Posted by Russ

The Scots don't own the oil though IIRC, Westminster does? The fact it runs through Scotland is just a logistic matter. If the Scots did leg it I'm sure they'd request a 'handling fee' to process the oil. Which of course should not be too high otherwise Dave will just build a pipe around Scotland and get it direct.

I am pretty sure they would get the Oil around there as it would be in what would become Scottish International Waters. I believe there might even be a UN regulation covering separating states that enforce that scenario. However I do wonder about this because some of it in technical in Shetland's territory and there was talk of them choosing home rule too.

Originally Posted by Russ

The Scots don't own the oil though IIRC, Westminster does? The fact it runs through Scotland is just a logistic matter. If the Scots did leg it I'm sure they'd request a 'handling fee' to process the oil. Which of course should not be too high otherwise Dave will just build a pipe around Scotland and get it direct.

The oil belongs to the country whose territory is above it. Which in the case of North Sea oil, would be Scotland, for the most part. With an international maritime boundary drawn between Scotland and England, about 80% of the oil fields would be in Scottish territory.

[nashville]

Most people when asked about their opinion on the Yes No vote. The answer is definately NO. We are too wise to listen to the nonsense of Alex Salmon. We are BETTER TOGETHER and face problems as they come. To many lies from Mr Salmon. I am with you Chris. This referendom is going to cost a fortune with money that could be spent elsewhere.