Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I can't see Sunak being sacked.

Hence me using the term, “possibly”, not definitive.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn’t appreciate frequency had anything to do with it, Hugh. If it was right once, it will be right again, surely?

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How so? He has achieved Brexit, he had to deal with an unexpected pandemic that nearly killed him and the bulk of the manifesto is still ‘to do’, delayed by Covid.

Clearly, he’s getting on with the health and social care issues now and starting off the levelling up agenda. To be fair, he’s broken his tax pledge, but I’m sure most right thinking people will acknowledge that Covid is responsible for that.

Which promises were you referring to that have been ‘broken’?

It didn’t "nearly kill him" - he received "standard oxygen treatment", and wasn’t intubated; he was in hospital for a week, and the ICU for 3 days.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn’t appreciate frequency had anything to do with it, Hugh. If it was right once, it will be right again, surely?

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How so? He has achieved Brexit, he had to deal with an unexpected pandemic that nearly killed him and the bulk of the manifesto is still ‘to do’, delayed by Covid.

Clearly, he’s getting on with the health and social care issues now and starting off the levelling up agenda. To be fair, he’s broken his tax pledge, but I’m sure most right thinking people will acknowledge that Covid is responsible for that.

Which promises were you referring to that have been ‘broken’?

From https://assets-global.website-files....0Manifesto.pdf

• Extra funding for the NHS, with 50,000 more nurses and 50 million
more GP surgery appointments a year. [see #1 below]
• 20,000 more police and tougher sentencing for criminals. [see #2 below]
• An Australian-style points-based system to control immigration.[see #3 below]
• Millions more invested every week in science, schools, apprenticeships and infrastructure while controlling debt. [see #4 below]
• Reaching Net Zero by 2050 with investment in clean energy solutions
and green infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions and pollution. [see #5 below]
• We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance. [see #6 below]

#1 Covid is no excuse; where are the GP appointments?

#2 The extra police commitment is merely a replacement for the austerity loss. Maybe semantically true but misleading in spirit.

#3 "Australian style PBS" is very loosely worded. Without going into it, I judge the UL system to be reasonable though inherently different. The big FAIL, is the cross-channel stuff; I realise it's not easy to stop but how these immigrants are dealt with is a scandal (as in £4.7 million/day spent on them when we have people sleeping on the streets).

#4 They're keeping very quiet about that; rolling infrastructure in with schools keeps it vague and vague it remains. Millions every week? Where's that audited?

#5 The Net Zero promise doesn't mention beggaring the nation with such as heat pumps that are likely unsuitable for a cold winter and quite unaffordable; ignoring our ability to be gas self-sufficient yet importing expensive gas from overseas. Sheer stupidity.

#6 Ha Ha. Lying toad.

The same document commits to preserving the triple lock for pensions; inflation is such that this commitment needed to be kept.

Then there's levelling up. What the hell does that mean in concrete terms? By now announcements should have been made about new factories, moving ministries, equalising education attainment and so on.

Backing entrepreneurs & innovation (p36 of the link) - he crows about reducing corporation tax from 27% to 19% but has now increased it to 25%. That does not increase national wealth, it stifles it.

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I hope you don't plead the need for austerity following the Covid borrowing. We have 50 or 60 years to pay that back through economic growth, which must be the focus. Strutting the ecoloon stage is the last thing that's needed.

Boris is a busted flush as are most of his nodding heads.

Point of information on heat pumps: these are widely used in Nordic countries where winters routinely get a lot colder than here. They operate at a lower efficiency at low outdoor temperatures, but operate they do. The problem in the UK (and here I acknowledge I sound like a Polytechnic lecturer with a tarmac and superglue fetish) is lack of adequate home insulation, thanks to centuries of cheap heating fuel first from coal and then gas. We have been able to afford to be wasteful.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It didn’t "nearly kill him"

So he misled Parliament on that too?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It didn’t "nearly kill him" - he received "standard oxygen treatment", and wasn’t intubated; he was in hospital for a week, and the ICU for 3 days.

Well, he thought he was a gonner, and he wasn’t the only one.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, he thought he was a gonner, and he wasn’t the only one.

That's the thing, if you'd been that ill, why would you dance with the devil and have all the social events? I'm sure most of us would agree that ending up in ICU even just as a precaution would be enough to make you overly cautious at the least!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

That's the thing, if you'd been that ill, why would you dance with the devil and have all the social events? I'm sure most of us would agree that ending up in ICU even just as a precaution would be enough to make you overly cautious at the least!

The man just lives for the moment and worries about the consequences later.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, he thought he was a gonner, and he wasn’t the only one.

No, he said he thought he might have been close to being a "gonner", which is not the same thing…

The medics have never talked about how serious he was, and the only viewpoint we have is his - the medics had contingency plans (because he’s the PM)

The PM told the paper the “indicators kept going in the wrong direction” and that he kept asking himself: “How am I going to get out of this?”

“The bad moment came when it was 50-50 whether they were going to have to put a tube down my windpipe.

“That was when it got a bit … they were starting to think about how to handle it presentationally.”

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-02/...ttled-covid-19

Not many people walk out of a hospital three days after "nearly dying"…)

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

That's the thing, if you'd been that ill, why would you dance with the devil and have all the social events? I'm sure most of us would agree that ending up in ICU even just as a precaution would be enough to make you overly cautious at the least!

But did he? Isn’t that something the police are investigating? We haven’t had the results yet.

Of course, if you believe Dominic Cummings, what can I say?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But did he? Isn’t that something the police are investigating? We haven’t had the results yet.

Of course, if you believe Dominic Cummings, what can I say?

Unless there's a very good Boris impersonator around he's the life and soul of parties according to all the pics!

Originally Posted by Hugh

It didn’t "nearly kill him" - he received "standard oxygen treatment", and wasn’t intubated; he was in hospital for a week, and the ICU for 3 days.

It did nearly kill him - Boris Johnson is clinically obese so he had a clinical risk associated with the Covid vulnerable group and more crucially, you don't get admitted in to an Intensive Care Unit for nothing. He had breathing difficulties to the point he required oxygen and round the clock intensive care.

They do not put "slightly" poorly people in ICU on the whim, going in there requires invasive medical procedures, they would also not have put him in there, if the benefit had not outweighed the risk of further infection to him and to others.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unless there's a very good Boris impersonator around he's the life and soul of parties according to all the pics!

Yes, Cummings ordered such a good impersonator who managed to fool both Carrie and security. Probably hid him in a large suitcase and told the coppers on the door that it was just the weekly trip to Oddbins!

Originally Posted by Mick

It did nearly kill him - Boris Johnson is clinically obese so he had a clinical risk associated with the Covid vulnerable group and more crucially, you don't get admitted in to an Intensive Care Unit for nothing. He had breathing difficulties to the point he required oxygen and round the clock intensive care.

They do not put "slightly" poorly people in ICU on the whim, going in there requires invasive medical procedures, they would also not have put him in there, if the benefit had not outweighed the risk of further infection to him and to others.

Unless, of course, it’s preventative, as he(and other Government Ministers) are high-profile and high-impact if they do get very poorly, and it would be a proper risk prevention method to put him in there when he needed oxygen.

He only had a mask - he was not put on a ventilator or had invasive procedures; and as I said before, he walked out of the hospital three days later.

Being "high risk" is not the same as "nearly dying"…

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Unless, of course, it’s preventative, as he(and other Government Ministers) are high-profile and high-impact if they do get very poorly, and it would be a proper risk prevention method to put him in there when he needed oxygen.

He only had a mask - he was not put on a ventilator or had invasive procedures; and as I said before, he walked out of the hospital three days later.

Being "high risk" is not the same as "nearly dying"…

I'd take issue with the NHS if that's the case. Surely we should all get the same treatment based on clinical need. Or are some more equal than others in our wonderful new Little England?