31-03-2020, 10:13
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Re: Coronavirus
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Saw it earlier after hearing about it on the radio. It's great and love they way the family is so natural.
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31-03-2020, 10:27
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Re: Coronavirus
Of course singing in a group setting is one of the more dangerous activities, as air is more forcibly expelled compared to normal breathing.
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MOUNT VERNON, Wash. — With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
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Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.
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Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.
The outbreak has stunned county health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.
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On the face of it they did everything right, yet....
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A novel human coronavirus that is now named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) (formerly called HCoV-19) emerged in Wuhan, China, in late 2019 and is now causing a pandemic.1 We analyzed the aerosol and surface stability of SARS-CoV-2 and compared it with SARS-CoV-1, the most closely related human coronavirus.2
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Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is plausible, since the virus can remain viable and infectious in aerosols for hours and on surfaces up to days (depending on the inoculum shed). These findings echo those with SARS-CoV-1, in which these forms of transmission were associated with nosocomial spread and super-spreading events,5 and they provide information for pandemic mitigation efforts.
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31-03-2020, 10:28
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Re: Coronavirus
Interesting view on the data https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
If you look at cases/deaths etc sorted by first reported case the UK and Italy and Spain have very close first infection rates but very different results (so far). But figures are still misleading.
Deaths/million OK the figure for the UK is 21 - can we extrapolate that to 1400 odd base on our population or do we accelerate to San Marino's 737 figure getting around 52,000?
You can have great fun with figures can't you? With skill you can get them to say what you like and convince people you need the powers to deal with it or show that things would have been better if you were in charge.
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31-03-2020, 10:48
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Re: Coronavirus
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Interesting view on the data https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
If you look at cases/deaths etc sorted by first reported case the UK and Italy and Spain have very close first infection rates but very different results (so far). But figures are still misleading.
Deaths/million OK the figure for the UK is 21 - can we extrapolate that to 1400 odd base on our population or do we accelerate to San Marino's 737 figure getting around 52,000?
You can have great fun with figures can't you? With skill you can get them to say what you like and convince people you need the powers to deal with it or show that things would have been better if you were in charge.
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Comparing countries figures and is particularly pointless given the different testing. E.g. Germany are testing millions, us a fraction of severe cases. Hence why they have a lower 'death rate'. All lies, lies and damn statistics.
Looks like NHS have been given a gagging order not to talk about the lack of protective equipment. We just expect them to put themselves at risk and shut up about it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9433171.html
The Inquiry into this when this is over is going to be very messy and the end of a few political careers/governments.
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31-03-2020, 10:53
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Re: Coronavirus
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Comparing countries figures and is particularly pointless given the different testing. E.g. Germany are testing millions, us a fraction of severe cases. Hence why they have a lower 'death rate'. All lies, lies and damn statistics.
Looks like NHS have been given a gagging order not to talk about the lack of protective equipment. We just expect them to put themselves at risk and shut up about it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9433171.html
The Inquiry into this when this is over is going to be very messy and the end of a few political careers/governments.
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If you follow the news you will see that every country in the world has a lack of ppe,that's because everyone wants it now, factories are working flat out to make it we are all in the same boat.
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31-03-2020, 10:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
If you follow the news you will see that every country in the world has a lack of ppe,that's because everyone wants it now, factories are working flat out to make it we are all in the same boat.
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We were very slow to ask, other countries got there before us. A Govt exercise a few years ago rehearsing a pandemic showed up all our deficiencies. The results were 'buried'.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tel...overnment/amp/
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31-03-2020, 11:12
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Re: Coronavirus
So which countries that are badly affected, don't have a shortage?
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31-03-2020, 11:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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So which countries that are badly affected, don't have a shortage?
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Some shortages are bigger than others. However I'm not going to bother getting into your black is white argument you have with everyone on everything as it gets boring..
(Read the Torygraph article above, that's more interesting and proves we knew years ago wouldn't have have enough equipment in the event if a pandemic).
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31-03-2020, 11:19
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Re: Coronavirus
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At the moment the whole country must rally around but when this is all over there has to be the mother of all inquirys as serious major questions have to asked as to why this country was deeply ill prepared for a major epidemic.
All the warning signs were there in black and white and yet those warning signs were totally ignored.
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31-03-2020, 11:30
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Re: Coronavirus
So this equipment was supposed to be stored away for 10 years or more, just in case it's needed? Never been needed on this scale before.
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31-03-2020, 11:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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So this equipment was supposed to be stored away for 10 years or more, just in case it's needed? Never been needed on this scale before.
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Yes exactly that. You can't predict when a pandemic might happen but you should be prepared for it, stock refreshed when necessary. The Govts own test exercise showed we weren't prepared and they took no action/hid the results.
Swine flu and Bird flu should have been wake up calls. Luckily they didn't prove to be as transmissible in humans, but they easily could have been. However it was only a matter of time but something more transmissible came along.
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31-03-2020, 11:43
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Re: Coronavirus
Not a expert on anything but is it not best to be prepared rather then be unprepared whatever it is as the trouble is now the horse has already bolted and we are deeply ill prepared for it and are then trying to play catch up.
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31-03-2020, 11:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Not a expert on anything but is it not best to be prepared rather then be unprepared whatever it is as the trouble is now the horse has already bolted and we are deeply ill prepared for it and are then trying to play catch up.
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Agreed.
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31-03-2020, 11:47
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Re: Coronavirus
So again, which country WAS prepared?
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31-03-2020, 12:00
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Re: Coronavirus
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So again, which country WAS prepared?
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No country can ever be prepared.
Take a look at the Yellowstone Super Volcano it is 40,000 years over due.
When it goes boom, it could spew ash for thousands of miles across the United States, damaging buildings, smothering crops, and shutting down power plants.
New York & Maimi would be effected.
Millions would die, in the US alone.
it would make the Eyjafjallajökull volcano seem insignificant.
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