Coronavirus (OLD)

[SnoopZ]

Manufacturers are also exempt from the Government clampdown.

Where is that list from (Mick) ?

I could only find this ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52010555

Travelling to and from work, but only if it is "absolutely necessary"

[nomadking]

Link

5. I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?

If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.
Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.
6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?

The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.
Separately, there is a list of critical workers who can still take their children to school or childcare. Provision has been prioritised for these workers.
Every worker – whether critical or not – should work from home if they can but may otherwise travel to work.
We have also asked certain businesses where people gather, such as pubs and most shops, to close. Separate guidance has been published on this.

[heero_yuy]

Glad to say that Sainsbury's has restocked the wine section. Hic!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't believe that estimate for one minute. We are likely to experience the peak in two to three weeks, so how people can believe that kind of figure amazes me. There are only 35,000 deaths worldwide at this point, so it's worth getting this in proportion.

I’m not asking you to believe the estimate, I’m telling you that it came from Imperial College London and the message was so forcefully received it provoked a u-turn on “herd immunity”.

The current death total is based on people who likely contracted the virus 3 to 4 weeks ago when the numbers who had the virus were far lower. As you can see it’s had exponential growth in many counties since then in terms of those tested so we will likely see the same with the death rates, if not more so as medical services throughout the world become further stretched.

We are only likely to experience a peak in 2-3 weeks (optimistically) because we have implemented the most extreme measures seen in this country to restrict movement. Not because the virus is being exaggerated.

Had we not taken any action it’d be people dying in the corridors in hospitals.

[SnoopZ]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Glad to say that Sainsbury's has restocked the wine section. Hic!

I still can't find any Heinz Ketchup in Tesco but my Tesco and shit loads of bog rolls!!!

Some low life just up the road from me got jailed for 12 months.

A man who spat at two police officers while claiming to have coronavirus symptoms has been jailed for 12 months. Paul Leivers, from Mansfield in Nottinghamshire, admitted two counts of assaulting an emergency worker. Nottinghamshire Police said he did not have coronavirus and their officers were "safe and well".

Serves him right, idiot.

[heero_yuy]

The irony will be that being jailed with all those viral carriers mean he will get it. Hope it's nasty.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

This could just be a weekend blip, or it could be a sign of things improving, atm, no one knows.

Pretty sure we won’t know if the current restrictions are having an effect for several weeks. Hence the restrictions will be in place at least until the end of May - I would estimate.

Hopefully if things show an improvement it may just slacken up a little bit come June.

That’s my hope anyway.

Originally Posted by Paul

Where is that list from (Mick) ?

I could only find this ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52010555

Had to go through my history to get the link but here you go.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...t-uk-lockdown/

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

Only essential work:-

• Health and social care
  All NHS staff, including administrative and cleaning workers. Frontline health and social care staff such as doctors, nurses, midwives, paramedics, plus support and specialist staff in the health and social care sector.
  
  In addition it includes those working in supply chains including producers and distributors of medicines and personal protective equipment.
  
• Education and childcare
  Nursery, teachers – including teaching assistants – and social workers.
  
• Food and other necessary goods
  Food chain workers, including those involved in production, processing, distribution, sale and delivery of goods.
  
• Key public services
  Postal workers, those required to run the justice system, religious staff, and those responsible for managing the deceased, and journalists providing public service broadcasting.
  
• Local and national government
  Local and national government workers in admin roles “essential to the effective delivery” of the Covid-19 response or delivering essential public services, including payment of benefits.
  
• Utility workers
  Staff needed to keep oil, gas, electricity, water and sewerage operations running. Staff in the civil nuclear, chemical and telecommunications sectors. Those in postal services and those working to provide essential financial services.
  
• Public safety and national security
  Police and support staff, Ministry of Defence civilian staff and armed forces personnel, fire and rescue staff, and workers responsible for border security, prisons and probation.
  
• Transport
  Those keeping air, water, road, and rail passenger and freight transport modes operating.

That’s a list of key workers not a list of those only allowed to work.

Anyone can still work, as long as they can do so safely and following PHE guidance.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mick

Had to go through my history to get the link but here you go.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...t-uk-lockdown/

And as that article says at the beginning.....

Only workers in certain vital professions will be able to send their children to school. Read our guide to see if you qualify

[Hom3r]

The only thing they can do next is only allow key workers to open.

A business that provides labels the NHS uses is a key company.

A company that makes white goods is not.

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My job supports the RAF, USAF and US DoD, keeping their C-130s operational. So declared a Key worker.

Although ATM self isolating until next monday as I was with my mum who subsequently diagnosed with the Coronavirus, which as scared the fuff out of me.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m not asking you to believe the estimate, I’m telling you that it came from Imperial College London and the message was so forcefully received it provoked a u-turn on “herd immunity”.

The current death total is based on people who likely contracted the virus 3 to 4 weeks ago when the numbers who had the virus were far lower. As you can see it’s had exponential growth in many counties since then in terms of those tested so we will likely see the same with the death rates, if not more so as medical services throughout the world become further stretched.

We are only likely to experience a peak in 2-3 weeks (optimistically) because we have implemented the most extreme measures seen in this country to restrict movement. Not because the virus is being exaggerated.

Had we not taken any action it’d be people dying in the corridors in hospitals.

Yes, well another study suggested that the virus had already worked through 50% of the population, so I suppose you can choose which studies to believe.

Incidentally, it is easy to spook the politicians.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Pretty sure we won’t know if the current restrictions are having an effect for several weeks. Hence the restrictions will be in place at least until the end of May - I would estimate.

Hopefully if things show an improvement it may just slacken up a little bit come June.

That’s my hope anyway.

Makes sense.

Lockdown 22nd, asymptomatic carriers could develop symptoms 2 to 14 days after this. Develop symptoms over the course of a week or so, in turn could infect those in same household. Same 2 to 14 days applies.

At some point in May (theoretically) we would only be looking at 3rd/4th people in same households catching it who didn’t get it from the first carrier. Likely small numbers.

But then you look at the video Mick posted earlier...

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, well another study suggested that the virus had already worked through 50% of the population, so I suppose you can choose which studies to believe.

Incidentally, it is easy to spook the politicians.

That’s not actually what that study said - you have simply read the FT headline and taken that as gospel. Had you actually read and understood the study it makes presumptions about how infection the virus is, and what that would mean in terms of the total population with it, and when it likely arose in the UK.

It was an entirely hypothetical study, which offered three less rose tinted outcomes than the one you describe. As you say though you choose the studies you want to believe rather than act on the science. I can’t help with that.