Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by jfman

In fairness it's not like if they announced it last week, or next week, it'd be any further up the running order. The news cycle is full of Coronavirus and the Scottish Government are taking a reasonable action at a reasonable time.

Err no, they’re using a very convenient ladder to get themselves out of a deep hole of their own making. They have spent the last 12 months ramping up the rhetoric about a referendum in order to prevent their movement fracturing, while a referendum is the last thing Sturgeon actually wants as long as the polls remain basically unchanged from 2014. They have always needed a pretext to back down that doesn’t leave the SNP leadership looking weak. For them, the present crisis is perfect cover.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Err no, they’re using a very convenient ladder to get themselves out of a deep hole of their own making. They have spent the last 12 months ramping up the rhetoric about a referendum in order to prevent their movement fracturing, while a referendum is the last thing Sturgeon actually wants as long as the polls remain basically unchanged from 2014. They have always needed a pretext to back down that doesn’t leave the SNP leadership looking weak. For them, the present crisis is perfect cover.

I'm not disputing that this crisis is more important or that it has got them out of a hole. Just "a good day to bury bad news" implies they're somehow being devious about it or attempting to be selective about their timing.

Everyone but the most extreme pro independence person would accept this is the right thing to do at the right time. And as you rightly point out - will allow the appetite of the Scottish public to be tested in the Scottish Parliament elections.

[denphone]

Jackson Carlaw quits as Scottish Conservative leader.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...om3=%40BBCNews

Mr Carlaw said he did not believe he was the best person to lead the case for Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom.

And he said he had therefore decided to stand down with immediate effect.

[nashville]

I hope they get somehow strong enough to put NS in her place, We all don't want Independence in Scotland,

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Jackson Carlaw quits as Scottish Conservative leader.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...om3=%40BBCNews

Who would want to be a Scottish Tory leader trying to justify Brexit and Dominic Cummings' eyesight tests to a sceptical Scottish audience?
Sadly for the Scottish Conservative Party, it lost a rare electoral asset when Ruth Davidson stepped down as leader.

[nashville]

Ruth D was one of the best to stand up to N S, I just hope they get someone who can stop the separation of the United Kingdom, I don't care if it is Tory, Labour or the Queen of Sheba,

[jfman]

The unionist parties in Scotland are all falling into the same trap.

None offer a compelling or progressive alternative vision for Scotland. They struggle to “sell” the Union to the electorate. All they offer is negativity and fear. The Conservatives are doing slightly better than Labour at getting the orange vote.

[Hom3r]

Scotland had it's once in a life-time vote, and they voted to stay.

If they did leave, how are they going to pay for the roads and free prescriptions with fewer people in a country than live in London

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Scotland had it's once in a life-time vote, and they voted to stay.

If they did leave, how are they going to pay for the roads and free prescriptions with fewer people in a country than live in London

It's about the romantic notion of sovereignty rather than sound economics.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's about the romantic notion of sovereignty rather than sound economics.

No the nats hate the English.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

No the nats hate the English.

Nah - just the politicians and the anti-Scots bigots...

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Chris

Err no, they’re using a very convenient ladder to get themselves out of a deep hole of their own making. They have spent the last 12 months ramping up the rhetoric about a referendum in order to prevent their movement fracturing, while a referendum is the last thing Sturgeon actually wants as long as the polls remain basically unchanged from 2014. They have always needed a pretext to back down that doesn’t leave the SNP leadership looking weak. For them, the present crisis is perfect cover.

Spot on, Chris, the SNP have one goal and one goal only, they need to get on with the day job, their tunnel vision for independence knows no bounds, Sturgeon is a sleekit little bitch, they are definitely using the Covid crisis to further their ambiton of a free Scotland, they forget to remember that 60% of their trade is with England, the education system in Scotland used to be one of the top performers world wide, its about third from bottom now, same with the NHS it's a complete mess!

[jfman]

“Get on with the day job” patter is fantastic from unionists.

I can’t remember the last time Scottish Labour or Conservatives made a policy proposal. I frequently forget the Lib Dems exist.

Trade isn’t a good reason to not be self-governing. Seph will back me up here.

You’ve also got a curious way of phrasing that the Covid situation allows the SNP to demonstrate competence against the backdrop of UK Government incompetence.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

“Get on with the day job” patter is fantastic from unionists.

I can’t remember the last time Scottish Labour or Conservatives made a policy proposal. I frequently forget the Lib Dems exist.

Trade isn’t a good reason to not be self-governing. Seph will back me up here.

You’ve also got a curious way of phrasing that the Covid situation allows the SNP to demonstrate competence against the backdrop of UK Government incompetence.

away and bile yer heid.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

“Get on with the day job” patter is fantastic from unionists.

I can’t remember the last time Scottish Labour or Conservatives made a policy proposal. I frequently forget the Lib Dems exist.

Trade isn’t a good reason to not be self-governing. Seph will back me up here.

You’ve also got a curious way of phrasing that the Covid situation allows the SNP to demonstrate competence against the backdrop of UK Government incompetence.

Any Brexiter should be able to endorse your statement that trade isn't a good reason to prevent self-government, not just our esteemed Wokingham contributor.