Utility companies - price rises

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

Of course if the "green subsidy" was put through general taxation(if we must have it) instead of tagged onto the bills things would be easier ,i believe that was the bright idea of a certain Mr Millibrain who had a whole dept created for him by Brown and now in a move of unprecedented idiocy he announced that he would cap profits by energy companies if he got into power ,what the hell did he think would happen when he announced this ,Millibrain needs taking out of circulation before he causes any more damage

The green subsidy hasn't gone up from last year despite what they'd have us believe, you know last year when they made so much profit the promised to use it to keep bills down this year.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Your wit is only matched by your intellect.

hey I get to be pretentious

That is a very Ad hominem post there Hugh

The "Ad Hominem Fallacy Fallacy".

If you are going to accuse someone of something, it's probably best to fully understand what you are accusing them of.....

You appear to be confusing sarcasm with undermining a proposition by attacking the proposer.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The green subsidy hasn't gone up from last year despite what they'd have us believe, you know last year when they made so much profit the promised to use it to keep bills down this year.

The rise has nothing to do with the Green Energy Subsidy imo it has more to do with the energy companies putting the likes of Millibrain in his place for threatening to cap their profits .The Green subsidy should be abolished simply because it is a licence to print money at the expense of the consumer but again we can't get out of it because Millibrain signed us up for it when he had his love in with Europe

Originally Posted by Hugh

The "Ad Hominem Fallacy Fallacy".

If you are going to accuse someone of something, it's probably best to fully understand what you are accusing them of.....

You appear to be confusing sarcasm with undermining a proposition by attacking the proposer.

you see when you do it you are really pretentious I am just playing at it

not misunderstanding anything. What you said was a personal attack dress it up however your want

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

The rise has nothing to do with the Green Energy Subsidy imo it has more to do with the energy companies putting the likes of Millibrain in his place for threatening to cap their profits .The Green subsidy should be abolished simply because it is a licence to print money at the expense of the consumer but again we can't get out of it because Millibrain signed us up for it when he had his love in with Europe

Don't make me laugh, what's the reason for all the other rises other than blatant profiteering, we shouldn't be fooled into being divided on this with talk of green subsidies and politicians.

Originally Posted by martyh

The rise has nothing to do with the Green Energy Subsidy imo it has more to do with the energy companies putting the likes of Millibrain in his place for threatening to cap their profits .The Green subsidy should be abolished simply because it is a licence to print money at the expense of the consumer but again we can't get out of it because Millibrain signed us up for it when he had his love in with Europe

They've been doing this for years. Nothing to do with putting Miliband in his place. If anything it will only increase his policies' popularity.

Also it's not the EU who imposed the Carbon Emission Reduction Target, it was the UK Government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate...nergy_Act_2006

Originally Posted by Damien

They've been doing this for years. Nothing to do with putting Miliband in his place. If anything it will only increase his policies' popularity.

Also it's not the EU who imposed the Carbon Emission Reduction Target, it was the UK Government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate...nergy_Act_2006

Thats a different legislation i think ,i'm talking about this http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/package/


This is responsible for all the wind farms and our target to have them generating 40% of our power by 2020 which in itself is laughable the legislation you quoted is responsible for Micro generation allowing houses,factories to generate their own energy

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

The rise has nothing to do with the Green Energy Subsidy imo it has more to do with the energy companies putting the likes of Millibrain in his place for threatening to cap their profits .The Green subsidy should be abolished simply because it is a licence to print money at the expense of the consumer but again we can't get out of it because Millibrain signed us up for it when he had his love in with Europe

Exactly, the moment that idiot opened his big gob it was obvious they would show him who is the boss. Now we have to pay yet again for his miss management of the power market.

Its not the first time he has messed up big time, it was him who was the energy minister was it not when Labour was in full economy destruction mode.

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you see when you do it you are really pretentious I am just playing at it

not misunderstanding anything. What you said was a personal attack dress it up however your want

I think you and Hugh need to get a room where you can fight it out.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Exactly, the moment that idiot opened his big gob it was obvious they would show him who is the boss. Now we have to pay yet again for his miss management of the power market.

Its not the first time he has messed up big time, it was him who was the energy minister was it not when Labour was in full economy destruction mode.

So how do you explain all the other price rises? Also if the Energy companies are just increasing their prices at a whim then they are just profiteering at the expense of their customers so why shouldn't they be reigned in?

Originally Posted by Sirius

Exactly, the moment that idiot opened his big gob it was obvious they would show him who is the boss. Now we have to pay yet again for his miss management of the power market.

Its not the first time he has messed up big time, it was him who was the energy minister was it not when Labour was in full economy destruction mode.

Yep ,he had a brand new department and decided to go with wind farms for our future power generation at the behest of Europe of course , instead of something that worked like nuclear plants .Lets hope that Cameron grows some balls and tells the anti frackers to frack off

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Damien

So how do you explain all the other price rises? Also if the Energy companies are just increasing their prices at a whim then they are just profiteering at the expense of their customers so why shouldn't they be reigned in?

I don't need to explain the rest of the rises, anyone with half a brain knows they are to feed more money to shareholders. But the second that idiot Milliband said he was going to sort them out and halt there price rises, just like any bully they retaliated with even more bullying. This price rise is just them saying you have no chance of stopping us and if you try this is what we will do. Problem is thats thanks to the idiot we are all paying for it.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Yep ,he had a brand new department and decided to go with wind farms for our future power generation at the behest of Europe of course , instead of something that worked like nuclear plants .Lets hope that Cameron grows some balls and tells the anti frackers to frack off

He was an idiot then and he is still an idiot only this time he has more power to create even more problems

[SnoopZ]

This is the British Gas unofficial bill simulator!

http://toys.usvsth3m.com/british-gas...ill-simulator/

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

Yep ,he had a brand new department and decided to go with wind farms for our future power generation at the behest of Europe of course , instead of something that worked like nuclear plants .Lets hope that Cameron grows some balls and tells the anti frackers to frack off

He was an idiot then and he is still an idiot only this time he has more power to create even more problems

The fact he rolled out the EU's stupid wind farm plans just shows how much of an idiot he is.

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ

This is the British Gas unofficial bill simulator!

http://toys.usvsth3m.com/british-gas...ill-simulator/

They were nice enough to offer me weekly payments

£1,403.79 per week plus vat

Originally Posted by martyh

Thats a different legislation i think ,i'm talking about this http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/package/


This is responsible for all the wind farms and our target to have them generating 40% of our power by 2020 which in itself is laughable the legislation you quoted is responsible for Micro generation allowing houses,factories to generate their own energy

It's a nightmare trying to find all the taxes in question but these seem to them:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...nd-brought-in/

There are a number of them. It seems that only one, adding £8, is a specific implementation of EU policy (Permits to pollute). There are a number of policies there which certainly could be cut, as could the 5% VAT on fuel. If the Government isn't doing it then it's either because they don't want too or are being blocked by the Liberal Democrats.